M14 Forum

Lazerus2000

Much as I like the M14 type rifles,
to me an M14 balances and handles quicker and better if it has a shorter barrel. To me a standard length M14 rifle is simply the start for a wonderful relationship with a new "little friend".






SO, I introduce almost all of my M14 rifles to their new BFF, Mr. Chop Saw. I've been doing this since the late 1980s, and so far I've done over 100 of these M14 Chop Mods, usually with the Canadian legal minimum barrel length of 18.5". These M14 "SHORTIFICATIONS" are getting so popular up here in Canuckistan, that we now have available brand new, direct from the importer, PRE-shortified Chinese M14s ... no need to throw your regular M14 into the drier on high heat, and hope it shrinks.

But there is more to a serious M14 shortification than just shoving the barrel into the Balvar 1 hp bench grinder to get it down in length, or making a date with Mr Chop Saw. I also am a big fan of SIDE FOLDING stocks on my M14 shorties. I have posted DO-IT-YOURSELF instructions on how to make your own M14 side folder, and I see more and more of these showing up in pictures on the web all over the place. These are so popular, because ... for a faster lighter more compact full powered battle rifle, there is nothing else on the civilian market that will do the same job, at such a bargain price.

The shorty M14 with a side folder simply makes good sense ... from a practical / tactical perspective, as well as good value for the cost. Short, light, and compact YET POWERFUL is good, especially if it don't cost too much. AND, if you do it yourself, like I tell you here, it doesn't have to break the bank:
http://www.members.shaw.ca/lazerus2000/m14.htm




But I have a few other "little friends" hiding in my closet, besides the M14 shortifications. The AR 15s are both my own builds, using the Canadfian made DLASK / BLUE LINE lowers, Anchor Harver uppers, and various other parts. I DESPISE every AR 15 sliding stock I've ever tried, so ALL my AR 15 shorties have full length buffer tubes and butt stocks ... even the two 7" GeBOOMenBLasten EarSplitten MICRO ARs I built. If I want it shorter, I'll use a shorter barrel, not a shorter butt stock.

Say hello to a few of my other "little friends";




Oh yeah, this weird lookin' thing is a GLOCK pistol in a slip in alloy chassis.
Still haven't figured out exactly what it would be good for .... but a LOT of people like it.




With some things,
Smaller IS more gooder.
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SO HOW ABOUT SOME MORE PICTURES AND SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT
the "LENGTH CHALLENGED AQUAINTENCES" that you know and like???
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1KPerDay

Wild! Is that a billet stock for the M14?

BTW, I assume you SBR'ed that pistol?

Lazerus2000

I assume you are talking about the top picture of the M14 in the bright alloy stock??? This is the PRE-production prototype of the new M14.CA Blackfeather Stock.

If by billet, you mean a 24" X 2" X 2" HUNK of alloy, well yes, that is exactly what we start with. Then we carve off everything that doesn't look like an M14 Alloy EBR stock. Our initial production run will be done with the industry standard 6061 T6 Aluminum alloy, with Type 3 HARD anodising.

The other two M14 alloy EBR stocks [ TROY and AKM ] are both made with similar methods and materials.
TTFN
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1KPerDay

Ah... I didn't check your locale. I apologize for my Americentric tendencies. :D

GeneCo

Thanks Lazerus, you have inspired me to not settle for what's out there and to truly make my Socom 16 my individual rifle.

gbcon

How long are we to be teased with that Black Feather stock, hmmmmm?????

grubby669

Im gonna get one of those blackfeather stocks when they become available and drop a Socom 16 in it.

Young guns

That blackfeather stock looks awsome, when are you going to start production. What do you think of the AKM stock, and i was thinking of hacking up a sage to look like that?
Good Shooting.

Lazerus2000

The camo painted EBR in the pics is a CHOP MOD AKM I did up a few years ago. The Canadian made AKM stock was only made in small numbers, is now discontinued and hard to find used ... which probably means people like it and want to keep the ones they have.

Check out the thread at
http://m14forum.com/modern-m14/10965....html#poststop

M14.CA is planning to start production and sales in march. Contact them for more info.
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jmoore

And they will be running them South of the Border?

Lazerus2000

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You might find this hard to believe,
but I actually started this thread to talk about SHORTIES,
not as a teaser for the new M14.CA alloy stock.
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After two years of working on this project, I am just not quite as excited about the new alloy stock as some of you seem to be. stocks, Stocks, STOCKS ...
ARGGGGGHHHHH!!!!

I realise that the new stock is SHINY,
possibly the best thing since sliced bread,
and NOT AVAILABLE TO YOU JUST YET,
and that such a situation must be driving some of you crazy
[ just like a shiny silver lure will get a Northern Pike to bite ...
even when it is already full of fish ]
but I truthfully didn't start this thread to shill for the new stock

Let's keep this in perspective.
I have THREE of these new prototype alloy stocks to test right now, along with the half dozen or so other various M14 stocks in my basement,
so I have TOO MANY DAMMED M14 STOCKS!!!

I really just wanted to talk about SHORTIES,
M14 and otherwise.

Also,
I AM NOT INVOLVED IN THE BUSINESS SIDE OF M14.CA AT ALL. I don't know much about what Frank is deciding as to when / where /how much. I'm just the geek in the back who designs the stuff.

For any business related information on when / where / how much, email or phone M14.ca.


PS: If you really want a thread discussing EBR alloy stocks some one else can start it [ something like SAGE vs TROY vs AKM vs BLACKFEATHER ],
I'll be happy to chime in there with technical talk about what I personally think about the M14 and EBR stocks.

Till then, in THIS thread,
how about we discuss SHORTIES!!!
SO THERE!!!
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that guy

I must say you've got one of the most unique collections around.

jmoore

All that typing and you never addressed the question...

In actual fact I asked BECAUSE that new stock may do some good accuracy-wise for an 18.5" standard weight barrel which just wouldn't do right in either a McCann or JAE stock. Don't give a rat's behind if it's shiny or not! Just whether it'll improve performance of a shorty.


Not this one...


This one!

Mocos

What kind of accuracy have you been able to generate with any of your shorties...and are they cut down barrels as opposed to factory barrels?

Lazerus2000

First thing I would question with the stock above is the rigidity of that AR 15 sliding stock. Try it with an A2 stock or an ACE or YHM RIGID tubular stock.

Second, try it with a different optic and a SOLID mount.
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All I can tell you the new BF stock, is that the receiver bedding surfaces are CNC machined to pretty close tolerances, which locks up the back nice and tight under proper trigger guard tension on all four of our test rifles.

At the front, we threw away the classic [ and problematic ] forend ferrule / barrel tensioner system , and went with a captured op rod guide to barrel connection, that basically free floats everything forward from the op rod guide. THEORETICALLY, this should improve accuracy, and THEORETICALLY, the adjustable tension built into the op rod guide should allow tuning the barrel harmonics for again improved accuracy.

Validation of these theories is one of the main goals of our big 1200 rd torture test.

Short answer ...
in previous testing [ about 200 rds ] with previous less rigid protoypes, we have had some very interesting results. AVERAGE of accuracy with several different loads improved noticeably. But we still haven't found the "sweet spot" to get the maximum accuracy out of the one previously known to be 1 1/2" accurate test rifle ... although one of our testers, a new shooter with almost zero experience. did shoot a nice cloverleaf with 168 gr Hornady HPBT ammo.

To be continued next week ...
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