M14 Forum

Ragincajun1919

I have come to the conclusion that the modern stocks, as great as they are, aren't doing it for me and my M1A needs. I've had 3 EBR Mod 0s, 2 Mod 1s, Troy MCS, and a VLTOR and I'm just not satisfied overall with any of them.

I'll give a brief reasoning behind each

EBR Mod 0- Great for a bench gun, but too heavy, and I never felt 100% comfortable shooting it.

EBR mod 1- Much better than the Mod 0, felt comfortable shooting it, found it very accessory friendly, but still overall, too heavy, and never really found the ideal optic setup for it. (tried Eotechs, Aimpoints, Trijicons, and Leupolds)

Troy MCS- Too heavy, too bulky, and didn't feel like an M14 to me at all. felt like a heavy clunky AR10

VLTOR- Nice, but didn't really feel all that much for $400 (used) over a standard Fiberglass stock

Now, I have not tried any of the bullpup designs, mainly because I want to retain the overall profile of an M14.

I think I'm screwed

Dredsen

Your seem picky. I have heard from a lot of people the sage stock is way to heavy.

I have the VLTOR and your paying for that emod unit (the aluminum block the receiver rides against in the rear of the stock.

What didn't you like about it other that buyers remorse? you don't' like the wooden stocks?

you may be screwed as you say.

I sure don't like the look of the troy. personal preference is what its all about.

DukeRustfield

I think many modern stocks are heavy. But that reduces real recoil. And they reduce felt recoil because they are often more in a straight line with the action than the more slanted wood. And as far as accuracy goes, I don't think anyone can realistically say wood will hold it's zero over the lifetime of a weapon like modern.

Wood looks very nice. It's very classic, it's traditional. It's easier to hump around with (though they still considered it too heavy).

But to each his own :)

NoExpert

Sometimes it is what it is. I don't think there's a perfect modern stock out there, they all have limitations and drawbacks. Just have to find out what they are and if you can live with them. Sounds like you tried them all and none met your expectations.

triggernick

I find the 18.5 inch barrel in a walnut stock just about perfect!

Ragincajun1919

I'm completely satisfied with my Supermatch in the E2 stock, with an ARMS 18 and NF scope, but my standard, I haven't found the ideal optics/stock setup yet. I think if I could properly mount an ACOG on it, that'd solve my optics issue, but I don't want a mile high cheek weld either.

I may have to try out the VLTOR again, if it doesn't work, I'm going to find another E2 stock and go with that.

mescalito

Sometimes knowing what you don't like is as important as knowing what you do like. Weight seems to be the kicker for you, which means no JAE and no McMillan. The McCann is supposed to be lighter, maybe that will work.
You didn't mention accuracy, so it doesn't seem important. Props for giving all those stocks a shot.
Keep searching and good luck.

Ragincajun1919

I didn't mention accuracy not because it's not important, but because that hasn't been a downfall of any of the stocks I've tried.

I think the E2 is my ideal stock, but they are so damned expensive, I don't want to do anything to permanently mod them.

NoExpert

Did you try an SEI mount with an ACOG? I doubt I'd ever bother trying to put an ACOG on an M1A/M14 just because they sit so high.

Ragincajun1919

No, they still seem to sit quite high even in that mount, that's why I've never bothered. I think I'll just find a beat up E2 I wouldn't feel bad about changing up, then focus on an optic

Dredsen

you can't put an a cog on a normal mount. (unless your neck is super long)

you gotta buy the trijicon a cog mount, or make your own (as one user here did)

The whole thing is the rail has to go back beyond the charger guide dovetail.
as you can see the rail is pricy

http://www.amazon.com/Acog-Profile-P...8675281&sr=8-1

geepee3

If you are looking for a new E2 stock. Check out www.law483.com.
Here are a couple of his E2 stocks.





Laminated stocks will give you strength and warp resistance.
The prices start at $475.00

Glenn

Young guns

Well if you like the E2 stock but dont want to modife the original ones there is a Laminated copy made by LAW 483. Here is the link.

http://www.law483.com/id56.html

And McMillan also makes an E2 style stock called the M2A, only problem is this one must be bedded to your rifle. Heres is the link.(Look in the middle of the page)

http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-st...stock-list.php

If you dont like these i dont know what else there could be.

lurker01

Sorry you feel that way. I love my EBR, and years of sucking up mountains and across the desert with military weapons like the M-249 have made me a little more resistant to being annoyed by it's weight. But I could also understand doing that for a long time, and never wanting to again... What do you think of other 7.62 rifles like the AR-10 and SCAR-H? A Mk.17 SCAR could give you the same firepower as the M-14, and cut a lot of weigh too.

If you don't mind me asking, what do you do with your rifles that make the weight become an issue?

Ragincajun1919

I like the M14s, and I can't afford a scar 17 yet. I like to shoot standing up, walking etc and the 20lb EBR doesn't work well for me with that