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Old January 17th, 2012, 08:38 AM   #1
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Springfield or Polytech?

Baseing this question on a matter of opinions and experiance, What and why and pros and cons, "what's it gonna be Polytech or Springfield? Personally I prefer Springfield. Mine is an SA M1A Standard with birch stock with D.O.D. catouch and "P" in circle along with selector switch cut-out and all USGI parts. 3" to 4" groupings @ 100yrds. useing Portugese. Even tighter with Federal Match King 168gr. BTHP.

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Old January 17th, 2012, 08:40 AM   #2
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here it goes again ugh, Ill bite anyway

my votes for the poly with its chrome lined barrel and forged reciever but Im sure many will disagree cause the poly's are commie junk that should be stripped down and everything but the reciever be replaced (roll eyes)

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Old January 17th, 2012, 08:59 AM   #3
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"Here it goes again ugh, Ill bite anyway....Boomer1983" Before I posted this I used the seach engine on this forum and was not able to find anything on this subject in which I had posted. So, I do appolgized if for any reason you felt obligated to respond to this thread. Have a nice day.......Next!

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Old January 17th, 2012, 09:11 AM   #4
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I didnt mean it like that but lately it seems alot of people have started similar threads to stir up controversy as alot of people have very strong opinions about the chinese poly's and will hate them to the day they die with little or no actual experience with them.

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Old January 17th, 2012, 09:13 AM   #5
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I prefer my Polys over my Springfield.

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Old January 17th, 2012, 09:26 AM   #6
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I prefer my Polys over my Springfield.
+1 on that. I actually prefer mine over my lrb if you can believe that.

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Old January 17th, 2012, 09:28 AM   #7
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I didnt mean it like that but lately it seems alot of people have started similar threads to stir up controversy as alot of people have very strong opinions about the chinese poly's and will hate them to the day they die with little or no actual experience with them.
Its all good, thank you. As for the two its just based on opinions. Some folks prefer a Chevy and some a Ford. The reason for this is, for what it's worth, is that there are two family members (not me) argueing over this subject. They are not aware of this forum and DO NOT know squat about firearms. Perhaps this subject will be brought to there attention in a couple of weeks. I'm just tired of those two clowns asking what I think. I have a SA, Norinco and LRB. I like them all. So, hopefully this thread will make them see things in others perspective as well. Thanks.

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This is an emotionally charged subject/topic with most of the Polytech nay sayers referrring to "commie built" guns.
However, while Springfield is "American" made, it has its problems with quality control. There are numerous comments regarding problems with Failure to Extract (stuck cases), bolt rollers coming off, inability to get a scope mount to fit properly. While the M1A is called American made, many of its parts are actually made over seas and assembled here.
Polys do not have those problems, however, they may have issues with long headspace. Most were made with NATO spec chambers which is longer than Commercial chambers.
You may hear comments regarding metalurgy in the Polys/Norincos. The Chinese made receivers are made with the same series of alloy that the USGI receivers are made from, however they tend to run slightly softer. Though not soft enough to cause problems. Where the problems often arrise is from the the bolts which are made from the wrong alloy and often have lugs which are not cut properly. This can cause early wear and increasing the already long head space.
Other problems areas can be soft triggers and hammers, soft elevation/windage kn obs, wrong sized op rod springs. All these are easily corrected. With the cheaper prices of the Polys, one can get one, fix the "problem" areas and still come out ahead over a Springfield. Even with a potential bolt fix, the cost is still often cheaper than a new Springfield M1A.
A lot of the Pro Polytech group tend to be people who had Springfields and had issues with them, as I did, or who feel that one should not have to pay $1500 for a rifle that may have to go back to the manufacturor under warrenty for tweaking of issues.
I had a Loaded M1A, and it had the stuck case issue and the scope mounting issue. I sold it and went to 3 Polys.

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Old January 17th, 2012, 10:27 AM   #9
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Dean,
just in case you are actually naive and sincere,
I'll inform you that this is the classic Post that TROLLS use to start a religious war here on M14.com.

Check out this off site posting for some M14 /M1A / Chinese M14S comparisons,
based on some real world EXPERIENCE with the various brands.
http://www.m14.ca/seminar/M14_Seminar_EBR.pdf

Otherwise, hold on to your hat and enjoy the ride as everyone jumps in once again to enjoy another debate based on opinions, prejudice, and ?patriotism?.
Remember, opinions are like ?A$$HOLES? ...
everyone has one, but some smell more than others.

When I go shopping for internet opinions,
I rate the credibility of the opinionator by their REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE with the subject in question.

There are several posters here on this M14 forum who have DECADES of experience as Military armourers, and/or professional Gun Smiths specialising in M14/Garand/M1A builds. These experts will have their own opinions based on their own experiences with the Genuine M14 rifles, and also with several of the US built clones, eg: Springfield Armory, LRB, 7.62, etc.

My personal opinions are based on the M14 type rifles I've personally owned,
and thgis experience is heavily biased towards the Chinese M14 clones.
5 - Springfield M1A rifles
3 - DOZEN GENUINE US GI M14 rifles
and over 100 Chinese M14 / M305 rifles,
including several dozen all GI parts swaps on to Chinese receivers.
PLUS I've worked on a probably 100 more M14 type rifles as a one time professional gunsmith.

There are several other experts with much more experience that live here.
Welcome to the M14 forum, and enjoy the ride ...
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Baseing this question on a matter of opinions and experiance, What and why and pros and cons, "what's it gonna be Polytech or Springfield? Personally I prefer Springfield. Mine is an SA M1A Standard with birch stock with D.O.D. catouch and "P" in circle along with selector switch cut-out and all USGI parts. 3" to 4" groupings @ 100yrds. useing Portugese. Even tighter with Federal Match King 168gr. BTHP.
Get a springfield, purchase a M14 CMP parts kit (you will have to replace most if not all of the parts on a chinese rifle) and replace any parts you need to. Case solved and closed.


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Old January 17th, 2012, 10:41 AM   #11
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Excuse me, but I think it is important to reply to this remark....

"However, while Springfield is "American" made, it has its problems with quality control. There are numerous comments regarding problems with Failure to Extract (stuck cases), bolt rollers coming off, inability to get a scope mount to fit properly. While the M1A is called American made, many of its parts are actually made over seas and assembled here.
Polys do not have those problems, however, they may have issues with long headspace."

Well I know for sure Polytechs and Norincos are not made in the USA as well as their parts. Quality control? Please, lets have some intellectual honesty on the issue. Most people purchase the Chinese Communist rifles because they think they are getting a great deal even after replacing 90% of the parts. If they were buying anything else but a firearm they would have been recalled and melted into chinese bed pans.

As for Canadians being able to purchase from Companies owned/operated by the PRC Army...phhhttt, what do Canadians know? They can't even purchase some of their own weapons and other goods they manufacture in Canada. Interesting that 85% of the firearms manufactured in Canada are for export only.... big surprise there. last thing, I was born in Canada, so I guess you could say Canadian by birth .... American by Choice!


Bottom line....buy what you want it is your money. Remember.....a firearm is inches from your face, what's your life worth?

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Old January 17th, 2012, 10:49 AM   #12
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Dean,
just in case you are actually naive and sincere,
I'll inform you that this is the classic Post that TROLLS use to start a religious war here on M14.com.

Check out this off site posting for some M14 /M1A / Chinese M14S comparisons,
based on some real world EXPERIENCE with the various brands.
http://www.m14.ca/seminar/M14_Seminar_EBR.pdf

Otherwise, hold on to your hat and enjoy the ride as everyone jumps in once again to enjoy another debate based on opinions, prejudice, and ?patriotism?.
Remember, opinions are like ?A$$HOLES? ...
everyone has one, but some smell more than others.

When I go shopping for internet opinions,
I rate the credibility of the opinionator by their REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE with the subject in question.

There are several posters here on this M14 forum who have DECADES of experience as Military armourers, and/or professional Gun Smiths specialising in M14/Garand/M1A builds. These experts will have their own opinions based on their own experiences. Listen to the voice of experience ...

My personal opinions are based on the M14 type rifles I've personally owned;
5 - Springfield M1A rifles
3 - DOZEN GENUINE US GI M14 rifles
and over 100 Chinese M14 / M305 rifles,
including several dozen all GI parts swaps on to Chinese receivers.
PLUS I've worked on a probably 100 more M14 type rifles as a one time professional gunsmith.

There are several other experts with much more experience that live here.
Welcome to the M14 forum, and enjoy the ride ...
TTFN
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I am being sincere. No intention and was not aware this would be a touchy subject to start any wars. Just wish this subject to be handled in a mature way. Thanks guys.

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Old January 17th, 2012, 11:16 AM   #13
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I think if you get a Polytech as a project gun you'll enjoy the work you put into it and really enjoy the rifle once its finished. I got mine as the second owner and the rifle was hardly even used and for less than the cost of an LRB receiver. Dont get me wrong, I'm going to get an LRB one of these days but I like my Polytech just the same

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Old January 17th, 2012, 11:49 AM   #14
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I luv my Poly, and I also have a pre-ban SAI. The Poly is better, the receiver is forged, op rod is forged. Get a Poly and shoot it, then decide on whether you want a bolt conversion. You probably won't need it.

As for American Made... (hee hee) the current Springfield has almost all foreign made parts these days.

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HMMmmmmmm?

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Excuse me, but I think it is important to reply to this remark....

Well I know for sure Polytechs and Norincos are not made in the USA as well as their parts. Quality control? Please, lets have some intellectual honesty on the issue. Most people purchase the Chinese Communist rifles because they think they are getting a great deal even after replacing 90% of the parts. If they were buying anything else but a firearm they would have been recalled and melted into chinese bed pans.

As for Canadians being able to purchase from Companies owned/operated by the PRC Army...phhhttt, what do Canadians know? They can't even purchase some of their own weapons and other goods they manufacture in Canada. Interesting that 85% of the firearms manufactured in Canada are for export only.... big surprise there. last thing, I was born in Canada, so I guess you could say Canadian by birth .... American by Choice!


Bottom line....buy what you want it is your money. Remember.....a firearm is inches from your face, what's your life worth?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
HMMMmmmmm?

So,
as I posted earlier,
"Opinions are like A$$holes,
everyone has one ...
but some are smellier than others".

I've given my credentials and my experience as to why I have my opinions regarding the Chinese M14 rifles.

Just out of curiousity,
just to find out exactly what you are basing your "informed" opinion on,
perhaps you can enlighten us on exactly how many Chinese M14 type rifles have you owned or worked on?

As for your remark,
what do Canadians know?
WELLLllllllllllll,
maybe we Canucks ACTUALLY DO know a bit about the M14 rifles, seeing as how we have THOUSANDS of the GENUINE US GI M14 rifles here in Canada in civillian hands, and THOUSANDS of the Chinese M14 clones, of various ages, still being imported into Canada.

In my personal REAL WORLD experience,
I've built up a Chinese M14 TARGET rifle, using all US GI M14 parts, that was every bit as accurate and reliable as my Springfield built Super Match SS hvy barrel and my National Match M1A ...
and much easier to fit the US GI parts to the receiver than the SA standard M1A that I built into another Target rifle.

I've also seen dozens and dozens and dozens of Chinese built M14 rifles that were good to go right out of the box. In fact, in my experience, aboput 2/3 of the Chinese rifles are safe, reliable, and accurate right out of the box.

These types of REAL WORLD experiences are what I base MY opinions on.
So what EXPERIENCE with the Chinese M14s do you base your experience on? .

PS:
As for your remark,
Quality control? Please, lets have some intellectual honesty on the issue.

Have you even read my posting comparing Chinese rifles with M1A rifles at - http://www.m14.ca/seminar/M14_Seminar_EBR.pdf
Or are you afraid reading such a comparison might be prejudicial to your prejudices??

How about arguing the merits of the hardware
BASED ON REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE RATHER THAN UNINFORMED PREJUDICE??

Just my 2 cents,
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