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Old January 14th, 2012, 05:17 PM   #1
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Looking for a hunter. White tail deer, Feral pigs and hogs down here in S Texas.

Would like a 18 bbl, Stainless, lightweight stock.

This is to be a shared rifle with my wife of 135 lbs, but she is a hunter and gun owner.


My pick is the Springfield Scout Squad mdl.

ALL that said. Other than carrying a M14 back in my Army days I have never owned one.

I am OPEN to all views to help us make a decision on this.

Thanks to all...

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Old January 14th, 2012, 05:19 PM   #2
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Old January 14th, 2012, 05:22 PM   #3
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Thank you...I should have also added I specifically want a semi-auto. I am not a bolt action fan at all.

When I want to hunt game at distance like Mule deer out in W Texas and just want to reach out beyond about 100 yards I use this:

http://www.ruger.com/products/no1Lig...er/models.html

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What ranges do you expect to shoot and are you mounting optics? How much do you want to spend? How accurate do you expect it to be?

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What ranges do you expect to shoot and are you mounting optics? How much do you want to spend? How accurate do you expect it to be?
Its heavy wooded down in my part of S Tex (Hill Country, just N of San Antonio area). White tail deer less than 100 yd and the feral hogs all but run over you and they run in packs.

I will likely mount some optics, variable scope for the deer and maybe a red dot type sight for the pigs.

As for accuracy, at the ranges I am shooting at, I will guess the out of box accuracy is gonna be acceptable for my uses or at least I would hope, LOL.

Just looking for a good solid basic rifle for wife and myself and do not need to spend stratospheric $$$ bucks to get there. Prices seem to be around $1600 +/- and that is more than acceptable. I will spend more if needed for ChroMo/SS bbl, lighter stock (than Walnut) and other options if I see a need (not even sure what options there may be)...

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i just love it when i hear that someone is hunting with a M14 type

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Old January 14th, 2012, 06:40 PM   #7
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Its heavy wooded down in my part of S Tex (Hill Country, just N of San Antonio area). White tail deer less than 100 yd and the feral hogs all but run over you and they run in packs.

I will likely mount some optics, variable scope for the deer and maybe a red dot type sight for the pigs.

As for accuracy, at the ranges I am shooting at, I will guess the out of box accuracy is gonna be acceptable for my uses or at least I would hope, LOL.

Just looking for a good solid basic rifle for wife and myself and do not need to spend stratospheric $$$ bucks to get there. Prices seem to be around $1600 +/- and that is more than acceptable. I will spend more if needed for ChroMo/SS bbl, lighter stock (than Walnut) and other options if I see a need (not even sure what options there may be)...
Well, sounds like you need either a Scout or a SOCOM. The SOCOM has a 16" barrel and will be sufficient for hunting in wooded areas and at ranges out to 300yds. It can be stretched out farther with the right optics. As far as I know, SAI is the only one who produces a 16" barrel. Smith Enterprise did a run of 16" barrels but I don't know if they still have them available.

The Scout has a 18" barrel and there are aftermarket SS barrels that will be better than the one provided. The stock barrel should be fine for most applications though. With a SEI gas lock, which changes the front sight from the flash suppressor to the top of the gas lock, and a SEI Vortex flash hider, the overall length will be just a tad longer than the SOCOM. The benefit is that you get to stretch the accuracy out to about 600 yards with the right ammo and some small modifications. The scout will already come with a forward mounted optic rail on the barrel. It may need to be modified to ensure that the op-rod isn't rubbing.

A standard M1A with a 22" barrel will weigh a just a little more than a Scout but barrels are available in standard, medium and heavy contours (those contours are available for the Scout too). Under the right conditions and with the right modifications the range can be stretched out past 800 yards. But with length comes weight and it won't be as compact as the Scout or SOCOM.

Since you want to keep it light, stick with a GI fiberglass stock. Once you start adding optics, bipods and rails, it will add to the weight and it will be added quickly.

I think the best choice for your application will be a Scout with a forward mounted, low power optic with quick release levers. For farther ranges, you can get a Bassett scope mount with a traditional hunting scope that takes less than a minute to install. You may need to install a cheek riser for that.

With some TLC, it can produce groups under 2" at 100 yds. This is the least I would expect out of a hunting rifle.

You should be able to find a good scout for around $1400 or less. A Bassett mount will cost around $140 or so. Then add the price for your optic and there you have it. Give it a good look over and do some quick checks and you should be on your way.

Tony.

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I think the best choice for your application will be a Scout with a forward mounted, low power optic with quick release levers. For farther ranges, you can get a Bassett scope mount with a traditional hunting scope that takes less than a minute to install. You may need to install a cheek riser for that.
i agree with tonyben here. if 100yds is the max for whitetail hunting and you will be doing some stalking of hogs that will be on the move at close range........i say get the 18" barreled scout with some adjustable optics and or long range optics for quick release. for white tail i would not want anything less than 4 power.....only because i like to identify what im shooting...ie...buck/doe/age ect....

i know this is an expensive route but if i was going to equip you with the best optic for the job it would be the trijicon/accupoint 1-4x triangle reticle. if you get a QR bassett mount or QR return to zero rings then you can always opt for more magnification for whitetail then go to irons for hogs....but even for hogs i would want something magnified (even if it's just a 2x) and something illuminated that can dial down to 1x depending on how close these damn pigs run at you....hahaha.

if it were just hogs you were shooting then i'd say just get a 1x red dot. i will say that with my red dot/ultimak set up i can cowitness with the irons through the optic....and with this set up i use the red dot for fast close aiming, and if i need to take more precise shots (like a whitetail at 100yds), the irons actually give me enough clear aiming capability to take smaller targets at longer ranges.


but this is the set up i see for you......granted, minus the fancy custom stock and paint job. its a scout with a 1-4x illuminated scope.




and by the way....i have hunting deer and hogs down is south texas so i know the terrain you speak of. i was in tall blinds most of the time, but i think if you are stalking then i would want a 1-4x optic with a scout .308 rifle. the Ruger you use is 'OK', but you will never be undergunned w/ a M1A.


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Ol Cowboy--I think your instincts for a scout squad are right on. I found the short sight radius of the SOCOM troubling. Pair the scout squad with a Trijicon Tri-Power scope and you won't miss a hog or deer.

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Thanks all and certainly some good advice and knowledge here.

Having some coffee this am and talking with a buddy he is pushing the Ruger 'Mini thirty': http://www.ruger.com/products/miniThirty/models.html

I have a Ruger 'Ranch' rifle in 5.56 and Stainless bbl. GREAT rifle, but now the kind of knock down power I like for deer/hog hunting. Especially on these Texas hogs...good friend out in E Tex has a farm (he does not live on it) he works. He has been fighting feral hogs for some time and as of late it seems no matter how good its fenced the hogs are getting in. He found out why when he came across and killed a 908 lb feral hog one eve. He carries a S&W 44 mag when he goes out and he dropped it with that.

He is suggesting the Ruger mini due to weight at less that 7 lbs vs the near 10 of the M1 platform.

The actions are quite similar. Any of you have any thoughts on the Ruger??

Attached is a pic of my M1. Its a Springfield, WWII vintage, good shape. I bought it just as a gun from WWII, so its not a shooter.
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spray'n down hogs with a .223 is fine. but if you want to drop a whitetail with one shot then i suggest the .308

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For a hog that size, I'd step it up to 308 or 30-06.

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+ 1 on a scout with some basic mods SEI gas lock and vortex comp for decreased muzzle rise and SEI piston and sadlak op rod guide, millet makes a decent 1-4x24mm scope at a good price, a basset mount good for the price, i think that will be under the $1600 mark if you find a good deal on a used scout which i have sennd for as low as $1050

scout $1100
SEI gas lock $95
SEI piston $60 or
Sadlak $45
Sadlak op rod guide $40
millet $200 optics planet
basset $85

under $1600 unless im missing somthing for a good basic set up

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The one thing I don't think anyone mentioned is you need a different gas plug for hunting because most people use higher pressure hunting loads.

http://www.schustermfg.com/

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Well, sounds like you need either a Scout or a SOCOM. The SOCOM has a 16" barrel and will be sufficient for hunting in wooded areas and at ranges out to 300yds. It can be stretched out farther with the right optics. As far as I know, SAI is the only one who produces a 16" barrel. Smith Enterprise did a run of 16" barrels but I don't know if they still have them available.

The Scout has a 18" barrel and there are aftermarket SS barrels that will be better than the one provided. The stock barrel should be fine for most applications though. With a SEI gas lock, which changes the front sight from the flash suppressor to the top of the gas lock, and a SEI Vortex flash hider, the overall length will be just a tad longer than the SOCOM. The benefit is that you get to stretch the accuracy out to about 600 yards with the right ammo and some small modifications. The scout will already come with a forward mounted optic rail on the barrel. It may need to be modified to ensure that the op-rod isn't rubbing.

A standard M1A with a 22" barrel will weigh a just a little more than a Scout but barrels are available in standard, medium and heavy contours (those contours are available for the Scout too). Under the right conditions and with the right modifications the range can be stretched out past 800 yards. But with length comes weight and it won't be as compact as the Scout or SOCOM.

Since you want to keep it light, stick with a GI fiberglass stock. Once you start adding optics, bipods and rails, it will add to the weight and it will be added quickly.

I think the best choice for your application will be a Scout with a forward mounted, low power optic with quick release levers. For farther ranges, you can get a Bassett scope mount with a traditional hunting scope that takes less than a minute to install. You may need to install a cheek riser for that.

With some TLC, it can produce groups under 2" at 100 yds. This is the least I would expect out of a hunting rifle.

You should be able to find a good scout for around $1400 or less. A Bassett mount will cost around $140 or so. Then add the price for your optic and there you have it. Give it a good look over and do some quick checks and you should be on your way.

Tony.
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