M14 Forum

MFD · February 22nd, 2012, 12:29 PM

I will do a 100yd zero and determine dot placement on target for center hits on out to 300yds. My local range tops out at 400, but hours drive away can get on out to 600yds plus. Only adjustment made to the sight at this time is to line up w/ front sight post windage wise. Dot is considerably higher than post as is, but will determine elevation once I can get to the range. This sight arrangement is not "legal" for Service Rifle in HP matches, but certainly could be used shooting in Match Rifle category. Our local rifle club is not that stringent on the rules, other than obvious safety rules, and we are flexible on what equipment the shooters use for the matches so as to not discourage new shooters from participating. The older experienced HP shooters all know the rules and we "come down hard" on them if they vary only the slightest bit!!(joking of course.)

MFD · February 23rd, 2012, 01:50 PM

Did make it to the range today and fired some 38 rnds in effort to zero sight set up. Range for firing was both 25yds. and 100yds. Took some 4-6rnds to get on target at 25yds and primary reason for requiring that many rnds is that I find the elevation and windage adjustment, very, very, sensitive and takes very little movement to change POI. My mistake for not using the calibrating disc included with the sight, worked out ok. Dot is bright enough in shady areas as well as well lit areas. Firing line has roof/darkened area as well as open areas and either one worked fine vision wise. Once zeroed fairly easy to keep the shots in the 10ring at 100yds w/ some X's as well. Load is certainly not match quality, LC '11 w/ #34primers, 42grs/RG4895, 147FMJ seated to just under magazine length of 2.800" Used 6 o'clock hold on all targets and next outing will adjust(very, very carefully!!) in order to take center of mass hold. Don't believe the sight set up will give the precise shot placement as NM issue sights, but did not expect it to do that either and like the arrangement for what it is. Range was muddy and did not want to take the time and effort to walk out to the 2 and 300yd target frames, but will do that in next week or so. Will comment that the adjustment screw heads and lock screws for those are quite tiny and good thing I took my glasses. By middle of March the club will have metal discs at 1,2,3,and 400yds. painted white and the set up should do fine for those. Question is do I think the overall package worth the money? To me it is and look forward with warmer weather coming using it quite a bit and will place another order with HOPCO so I can equip my trusty M1 Garand w/ the Burris.

1KPerDay · February 24th, 2012, 09:16 AM

Cool; thanks for the report.

Joelogic · February 29th, 2012, 03:21 PM

We are going to continue our introductory price of $99.
(Anyone know how to edit the first post of a thread?)

Some additional testing at a local multigun match. Shooting a socom with the Hopco USA mrd mount and a trijicon RMR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nddPU...1&feature=plcp

1KPerDay · February 29th, 2012, 03:23 PM

Cool vid. Almost looks like the comp on the rifle works too well and pushes the muzzle downward on recoil!

Dredsen · February 29th, 2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 1KPerDay

Cool vid. Almost looks like the comp on the rifle works too well and pushes the muzzle downward on recoil!

I'd have to agree, defiantly counter-productive if thats the case.

Mocos · February 29th, 2012, 04:35 PM

it's a 7lb 14oz socom with a modified muzzle brake...tames the recoil effectively but have to adjust the ports so it doesn't deflect downward ...first four targets were clays at 50yds so target acquisition was pretty good..all the others were essentially upper "a" zones ...trijicon rmo6... I could go with a battle comp ready made but it would add about 3 oz and about 3/4 in to the overall length. Definitely a hoot to shoot...

Joelogic · March 29th, 2012, 03:11 PM

We shipped a couple more today. Thanks again for everyone's support. Last Friday a buddy of mine and I were shooting small orange reactive targets at 200 yards with a Socom and a Burris Fastfire II on the Hopco USA mount and he made 2 out of 3 hits. Pretty good for his first time shooting a Socom.

Spring time means more shooting time!

MFD · March 29th, 2012, 05:59 PM

Been shooting my LRB14SA w/ Burris FastFireII lately at the SR repair center, 200yd, prone sling and and no problem keeping them in the 10 ring w/ X;'s to boot. Adjusted so that dot is just below 6 o'clock on bullseye. For 300yd put dot on top of bullseye and hits in upper portion of 10 ring. One thing I notice is that using this sight it seems that if you don't have the correct cheek weld it will give you a a hit either left or right.
Same holds true with issue sights, but to me anyway, the dot system tells you pretty quick that you need to correct. Perhaps that is just me?? Now the bad news.
Removed the set up from M14 and attempted to place on Garand and find the elelvation pinion will not enter completely through in order to attach the windage drum?? It would appear that the HOPCO unit fit on the Garand sight seating area is not compatible with the Garand dimensions?? Garand is Springfield GI and the clearance needed is very slight in the hole in the base and thought about opening that up just a bit to allow entry of the elevation pinion. The deviation is not on the vertical plane, but horizontal. Any thoughts on this matter?? Really wanted to be able to switch from one rifle to the other and hope this can be resolved, but in closing, the system is an excellent one and it is perfect set up on the M14 for those w/ aged eyes.

Whatsinaname181 · March 29th, 2012, 06:03 PM

that little guy is going to hold up to the recoil impulses of an M14/M1A? if it does, more power to you!

in the world of weapon accessories, less is more. you have an excellent FOV with that little thing without any encumbering things hanging around the optic. if i could get something like that as durable as an EOtech, id take that in a heartbeat w/back-up irons.

ill never get rid of my iron sights though. i ALWAYS run back up irons. i guess for recreational shooting, lack of a rear iron sight is ok- but all my rifles are setup for serious social work if need be.

1KPerDay · March 29th, 2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MFD

Been shooting my LRB14SA w/ Burris FastFireII lately at the SR repair center, 200yd, prone sling and and no problem keeping them in the 10 ring w/ X;'s to boot. Adjusted so that dot is just below 6 o'clock on bullseye. For 300yd put dot on top of bullseye and hits in upper portion of 10 ring. One thing I notice is that using this sight it seems that if you don't have the correct cheek weld it will give you a a hit either left or right.
Same holds true with issue sights, but to me anyway, the dot system tells you pretty quick that you need to correct. Perhaps that is just me?? Now the bad news.
Removed the set up from M14 and attempted to place on Garand and find the elelvation pinion will not enter completely through in order to attach the windage drum?? It would appear that the HOPCO unit fit on the Garand sight seating area is not compatible with the Garand dimensions?? Garand is Springfield GI and the clearance needed is very slight in the hole in the base and thought about opening that up just a bit to allow entry of the elevation pinion. The deviation is not on the vertical plane, but horizontal. Any thoughts on this matter?? Really wanted to be able to switch from one rifle to the other and hope this can be resolved, but in closing, the system is an excellent one and it is perfect set up on the M14 for those w/ aged eyes.

I had trouble fitting the base between the ears of my springfield... I used an HRA and it slipped in fine. But the fit of the elevation/windage knobs was VERY tight and took quite a bit of fiddling/swearing to get it in. Solid as a rock now but I really don't want to remove it. :D

Seems stable so far. I hopefully will run it in a rifle/carbine match next month and can provide some more feedback. I planned on using it in last month's 3-gun but they wouldn't allow non-magnified optics in the heavy-metal class. I'd have had to shoot in open and I didn't want to lose that badly.

Mocos · March 29th, 2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MFD

Been shooting my LRB14SA w/ Burris FastFireII lately at the SR repair center, 200yd, prone sling and and no problem keeping them in the 10 ring w/ X;'s to boot. Adjusted so that dot is just below 6 o'clock on bullseye. For 300yd put dot on top of bullseye and hits in upper portion of 10 ring. One thing I notice is that using this sight it seems that if you don't have the correct cheek weld it will give you a a hit either left or right.
Same holds true with issue sights, but to me anyway, the dot system tells you pretty quick that you need to correct. Perhaps that is just me?? Now the bad news.
Removed the set up from M14 and attempted to place on Garand and find the elelvation pinion will not enter completely through in order to attach the windage drum?? It would appear that the HOPCO unit fit on the Garand sight seating area is not compatible with the Garand dimensions?? Garand is Springfield GI and the clearance needed is very slight in the hole in the base and thought about opening that up just a bit to allow entry of the elevation pinion. The deviation is not on the vertical plane, but horizontal. Any thoughts on this matter?? Really wanted to be able to switch from one rifle to the other and hope this can be resolved, but in closing, the system is an excellent one and it is perfect set up on the M14 for those w/ aged eyes.

Hi

two things.....did you release the front and rear tension screws before you set the mount in the sight pocket..if you didn't, loosen them an the elevation pinion should go in......if you did then what you have to do is stone the the bottom surface of the mount.....use something like 600 grit wet sanding paper with water or oil. You're only talking about .001 or so to take off. It is a tap in fit. When you want to reinstall it in the m-14 the, you can insert the stainless .001 shim on the bottom and then tighten the tension screws. It would be the same if you were to run into a snug m14. Post how that works out.

doug

cheers

Mocos · March 29th, 2012, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whatsinaname181

that little guy is going to hold up to the recoil impulses of an M14/M1A? if it does, more power to you!

in the world of weapon accessories, less is more. you have an excellent FOV with that little thing without any encumbering things hanging around the optic. if i could get something like that as durable as an EOtech, id take that in a heartbeat w/back-up irons.

ill never get rid of my iron sights though. i ALWAYS run back up irons. i guess for recreational shooting, lack of a rear iron sight is ok- but all my rifles are setup for serious social work if need be.

I've had a Burris fastfire II on a socom for maybe 1500 rds and it is holding tight ...primary arms green dot ..5-600 rds....doctor(german) maybe 800 or so, jp..400-ish ...so far the only one that I have had any issue with was the leupy delta point...but that was after 800 or so rds...it's back now so I'll run it again. I think the delta point would be better possible with a green triangle ..... you gotta get one of these things...I think it is a game changer...

MFD · March 30th, 2012, 01:09 AM

Mocos,
Ok, read you loud and clear and will do some final fitting as you suggested. As to durability of the unit so far so good, but it is early and time will tell. Will say that the Burris FastFireII and appropriate mount is offered by another firm that is to be used on big bore rifles w/ significant more recoil than 14's and have not heard of any failures to date. Calibers as in 45/70, 50/110, 475Turnbull, etc. with recoil very near that of the 458WinMag. I have '86 and '71 lever guns and this fall will install the Burris on one or the other for deer season. Just rec'd news yesterday that OOW 1918A3 is to be shipped on 4/9 and fitting the Burris to that rifle is my ultimate goal.

Joelogic · April 5th, 2012, 12:15 PM

One of our customers sent me some pictures of our MRD mount on his tanker using a NcStar MRD. The NcStar can be had for a very reasonable price of $69 at cheaper than dirt but he said he got his for $49 on eBay. We have not tested this optic but it does come with a limited lifetime warranty which our customer said covers recoil damage.

That makes the entry price of the Hopco USA MRD mount and optic as low as $149.