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Old December 12th, 2011, 11:11 AM   #1
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How much does your EBR weigh?

Just curious. My rifle is heavy I think, though I don't mind. I have an SAI Loaded (med. weight barrel) in a Sage ACLS/CV stock. With scope, UBR Stock and an empty 20 round mag she comes in at a hefty 15.5 lbs. And that's without the bi-pod.

Like I said, I don't mind. Just more of her for me to love, lol. If I want her to weigh less I'll spend more time in the weight room.

So tell me what your rifle weighs with an empty mag if so inclined.

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Old December 12th, 2011, 01:09 PM   #2
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15.75 pounds with medium weight 18.5" barrel, M25 receiver with modified 20MOA extended rail, Mod 1 chassis with 1.25" cheek riser, bipod, sling, scope, rail covers and empty mag.

I lost about 5 pounds over the last year of changes.

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Old December 12th, 2011, 01:56 PM   #3
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Ha, ha, ha, ha

Sorry guys, but it does my heart good to see the unvarnished truth posted without the bias that usually accompanies conversations about the SAGE EBR.

For two years I've had to listen to the phony argument that the JAE is the heaviest stock and not even worth considering due to it's weight. The SAGE was always touted as being several pounds lighter than the JAE...

Oh I'm lovin' this.

The truth is that most M1As, with after market stocks, end up weighing just about the same regardless of which stock is used. Those of us who buy these stocks tend to add large scopes, bipods, and other things and the rifles end up weighing anywhere from 11 to 15 pounds. I handled and fired all three brands and it's pretty safe to say that regardless of whether you buy a SAGE, TROY, or JAE the weight will end up around 13 pounds plus or minus a pound or two. What's more, no one of them is really any more accurate than the others, they all improve the accuracy of the rifle equally well.

All of these stocks weigh within about a pound of each other in their stripped down form. Some of us choose one of these stocks based on the intended purpose for the rifle and our feelings about the construction and features but not most people. Most people buy the stock that looks the most Tacti-cool to their eye and then they try to justify their choice by saying that their stock is the lightest and most accurate.

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Old December 12th, 2011, 03:43 PM   #4
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It's true RAMMAC, just about every aftermarket stock adds weight. Adding accessories adds more weight. My rifle is laying in pieces right now so for fun I weighed things semi apart...

Barreled action... 6.4 pounds
Sage Mod 1 with bipod, sling, 1.25" riser and rail covers... 6.2 pounds
Scope and rings... 1.8 pounds
Trigger group... .70 pound
Magazine... .65 pound (modified for 10 rounds and with magpul base)

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Old December 12th, 2011, 07:21 PM   #5
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Mine would be 11 lbs even with a 18.5" medium weight barrel on an m25 receiver in a sage mod 1 with standard m4 buttstock and no optic and empty mag. Im in the process of shaving .5lbs off with a carbon fiber handguard, smaller lower rail, and new carbon/aluminum buttstock. Ill have some pictures of the work in progress posted one of these days.

Here's how she looks now:

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Old December 17th, 2011, 02:30 PM   #6
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17.6 lbs with empty magazine.


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Old December 17th, 2011, 05:50 PM   #7
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I'm putting one together with shooting off the bench in mind. I ordered the JAE stock, because of the adjustability of the cheek rest and LOP. I don't expect to be adding anything to it other than a bipod and a scope/mount. The receiver is the LRB M25. I'm not so much concerned about what it will weigh as much as I'm curious. I've been told that the JAE stock is 6lbs, I figure 3lbs for the scope/mount, and the trigger. I see that you say 6.4lbs for the barreled action, I'm planning on a 22" barrel (maybe heavy contour) and a bipod. If mine weighed as yours, I'm looking at around 15 lbs total. Can you tell us what the configuration of your barreled action is?

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Here is my up to date list of configurations and weights for my rifles.


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13.20 with 1-5 scope and sage mount



11.50 with t-1

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Old December 17th, 2011, 09:04 PM   #10
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Based on your table, I figure that the G2 is actually 7lbs. I remember Lisa saying that they had lightened the G3, but I don't expect by much. I'm thinking that the setup I'm putting together will be similar to the loaded in the G2 stock you have listed at 18 lbs.
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Your welcome.

I do have a G3 stock but I put it on the SOCOM. I do know that it is only slightly lighter than the G2 stock, less than a pound but the ergonomics are a lot better and the stock feels more comfortable. I also like the quick disconnect lever for the cheek rest on the G3. It makes switching to irons very easy and quick.

The scope adds a lot of weight to my setup. The Millett is big and heavy. There are better scopes on the market, some with better optical quality while still being lighter. It's a good scope if you want something that will work out to longer ranges but don't want to spend an arm and a leg. I've used it out to 800 yards and have no complaints. But with a better scope I could easily drop the weight by a pound.


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Based on your table, I figure that the G2 is actually 7lbs. I remember Lisa saying that they had lightened the G3, but I don't expect by much. I'm thinking that the setup I'm putting together will be similar to the loaded in the G2 stock you have listed at 18 lbs.
Thanks for the information.

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Old December 18th, 2011, 04:03 AM   #12
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I'm putting one together with shooting off the bench in mind. I ordered the JAE stock, because of the adjustability of the cheek rest and LOP. I don't expect to be adding anything to it other than a bipod and a scope/mount. The receiver is the LRB M25. I'm not so much concerned about what it will weigh as much as I'm curious. I've been told that the JAE stock is 6lbs, I figure 3lbs for the scope/mount, and the trigger. I see that you say 6.4lbs for the barreled action, I'm planning on a 22" barrel (maybe heavy contour) and a bipod. If mine weighed as yours, I'm looking at around 15 lbs total. Can you tell us what the configuration of your barreled action is?
It's an M25 with medium weight 18.5" barrel. Nothing too fancy. I also have a US Optics scope which are over built and inherently heavy. I weighed the barreled action with the scope rail installed on the receiver. My rail is about .5 pound I think (guessing) and my rings are .25 pound.

I didn't have the scope and rings for this pic, but here it is semi broke down:



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Based on your and Marines 84's posted weights, it would seem that the modular design of the Sage gives you the ability to lighten them somewhat depending on how configured, (his PRS vs your CTR). I don't own one but as RAMMAC states, it looks like the Sage has got to be around 6lbs. I'm getting ready to choose my barrel. I see that Krieger is raising their prices starting in Jan. I think that for my planned use the 22" 1/10 stainless barrel would be most suitable. I wish that Krieger would offer it as a med weight barrel. I'm not sure that where the weight is left on, on the Heavy contour barrel really is as beneficial for accuracy as it would be if it could be heavier up front. Any members compared the accuracy of the 22" med weight to the 22" heavy barrels from Krieger?

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He ain't heavy he's my brother 14.3lbs empty mag, standard weight barrel (SEI Vortex & GLFS not shown)

17oz. 2-10x42mm IOR scope (add a few oz for steel rings)
7oz. Grip Pod
8oz. scope mount



And the next (spelled p. i. g. pronounced - HOG) I only need a receiver and I'm ready to build. (of course that's saying "I have a radiator cap, add a few more parts and I'd have a car" )


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Based on your and Marines 84's posted weights, it would seem that the modular design of the Sage gives you the ability to lighten them somewhat depending on how configured, (his PRS vs your CTR). I don't own one but as RAMMAC states, it looks like the Sage has got to be around 6lbs. I'm getting ready to choose my barrel. I see that Krieger is raising their prices starting in Jan. I think that for my planned use the 22" 1/10 stainless barrel would be most suitable. I wish that Krieger would offer it as a med weight barrel. I'm not sure that where the weight is left on, on the Heavy contour barrel really is as beneficial for accuracy as it would be if it could be heavier up front. Any members compared the accuracy of the 22" med weight to the 22" heavy barrels from Krieger?
We both have Mod 1's which have AR type rearends, these are a bit more modular and a little more iron sight friendly. The Mod 0 is about 2.5 pounds heavier than the Mod 1 and has a Sage proprietary rearend. The cheek rest is a little high making the iron sights a little harder to use, but not impossible. The ALCS/CV model (similar to the Mod 1) is the lightest.

We also have different setups... PRS vs. CTR, fore grips vs. no fore grip, USO ST-10 44mm vs. USO SN-3 37mm, DCSB vs. M25 rail, 22" barrel vs. 18.5" barrel, different rail covers, etc. Little things add up quick.

As for barrel weight and accuracy, I had a Krieger DMR barrel and a Krieger heavy barrel, accuracy from each was nearly the same. Also, you have to get a special Sage chassis made for heavy barrels so that's something to consider. The Krieger DMR barrel is a good barrel, it's worth a look.

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