M14 Forum


'splain something to me Lucy

This is a discussion on 'splain something to me Lucy within the Modern M14 forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; First off be patient,I'm an old guy. I just don't get these new stocks. They look awkward, heavy as hell, and from what I can ...


Go Back   M14 Forum > M14 M1A Forum > Modern M14


Like Tree68Thanks
Reply
 
LinkBack Moderator Tools Display Modes

Old August 29th, 2011, 07:39 AM   #1
Platoon Sergeant
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 328
'splain something to me Lucy

First off be patient,I'm an old guy. I just don't get these new stocks. They look awkward, heavy as hell, and from what I can tell expensive ( as in $800 and up). I am not jumping out of planes, APC's, clearing large complex buildings full of evildoers at night with a squad of other guys. I like to go lie in the grass and shoot at targets and beat the guy next to me, and I like to kill tasty beasties. My wood stocks and GI stocks work fine for that. So 'splain this whole fancy stock thing. Rant started after looking at post on McCann stock $900 That would buy alot of powder and bullets. Be gentle with the explanation, remember, I'm old and dumb about this new fangled stuff.

big bear is online now  
Remove Ads
Old August 29th, 2011, 08:18 AM   #2
Grunt
 
mtbikerwvu's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MT
Posts: 96
I am with ya on this one. The new stocks with their 20 light rails, lasers and night vision are cool as in tacticool and I think they would be fun to experiment with but for $900 bucks! A little more and you can buy another complete M14 or an AR with ammo. The M14 is the Corvette of the the gun world and you can't buy anything for a Vette without someone marking it up by about 50% over other Chevy parts. Same holds true for the M14/M1a. There is the market segment out there that wants what the SEALS and Delta are carrying and these $900 chunks of aluminum serve that population. I can tell ya though that from what I have seen in the military since 2000, most of the issued M14 rifles are in the basic original format with upgraded optics for the most part. The EBR is for the special ops fellas who we never saw very often. The KISS principle applies to M14s. The big guns make you a priority target, why make it stick out more with all the gadgets? When you weigh the option of gadgets or water, water wins. JMHO

Also, billett aluminum is cold and skin freezes to metal very quickly in the great white north. It is also like your car door in the summer and I challenge anyone to lay their cheek on their car door and imagine shooting a rifle accurately. Wood is your friend.

Thanks from BoolitSchuuter
mtbikerwvu is offline  
Old August 29th, 2011, 08:22 AM   #3
Banned Camp
 
H2O MAN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: US
Posts: 3,070
It's interesting that you noted the McCann stock because it's probably the lightest stock available, much lighter than your standard USGI wood or synthetic stock.

Very few M14s remain iN service in their basic original format these days, they have been phased out in favor of the TACOM M14EBR-RI and other variants of the EBR.

H2O MAN is offline  
Old August 29th, 2011, 08:29 AM   #4
Platoon Sergeant
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 328
Quote:
Originally Posted by H2O MAN View Post
It's interesting that you noted the McCann stock because it's probably the lightest stock available, much lighter than your standard USGI wood or synthetic stock.

Very few M14s remain iN service in their basic original format these days, they have been phased out in favor of the TACOM M14EBR-RI and other variants of the EBR.
I noted it because it was the one that pushed me over the brink this morning when I followed to recent post to their site and saw the $900 price tag. ALSO, I figured if I said anything negative about the SAGE,EBR,etc I would have been excommunicated, banned and a bunch of SEALS would have booby trapped my deer blind this fall....


Last edited by big bear; August 29th, 2011 at 08:29 AM. Reason: typo
big bear is online now  
Old August 29th, 2011, 08:36 AM   #5
Grunt
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 116
The modular stocks do the same thing for a civie as they do for a GI...make the gun itself more versatile, able to be set up differently in a matter of seconds to meet changing requirements.
For example, if you have a modular stock (or chassis, as they are called now), once you get back from the hunting trip, you can strip off the 3-9 scope and put the aimpoint, weaponlight, and vertical foregrip back on it, and your hunting rifle is once again very well suited for use as a home-defense gun.

I also prefer a traditional stock, but the modern stock systems DO have their uses.

Zardoz is offline  
Old August 29th, 2011, 08:42 AM   #6
Old Salt
 
bigbang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Hamburg, Germany
Posts: 1,059
Why did someone climb Mt Everest? Because its there!
Why lick dogs their balls? Because they can!
Why Have I installed a 1600,-$ stock? Because its there and I can.
Wolf

bigbang is offline  
Old August 29th, 2011, 08:46 AM   #7
Dodgin' The Reaper
 
CAVman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: WYoming
Posts: 9,102

Awards Showcase

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbang View Post
Why did someone climb Mt Everest? Because its there!
Why lick dogs their balls? Because they can!
Why Have I installed a 1600,-$ stock? Because its there and I can.
Wolf
I Have NEVER Seen A Better Explanation Of German Grammar !!!



CAVman in Wyoming

CAVman is online now  
Old August 29th, 2011, 09:21 AM   #8
Master Gunner
 
adrbe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Denver
Posts: 874
I think the primary reason/value is increased accuracy, without bedding.

Thanks from i8mtm and GARRARD
adrbe is offline  
Old August 29th, 2011, 09:24 AM   #9
Banned Camp
 
H2O MAN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: US
Posts: 3,070
Quote:
Originally Posted by adrbe View Post
I think the primary reason/value is increased accuracy, without bedding.
This is true for the SAGE EBR, Rogue and probably the TROY MCS.

H2O MAN is offline  
Old August 29th, 2011, 09:25 AM   #10
Lifer
 
Bamban's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 4,110

Awards Showcase

Quote:
Originally Posted by adrbe View Post
I think the primary reason/value is increased accuracy, without bedding.
Are the tacticool 14s more accurate than bedded 14s?

Bamban is online now  
Old August 29th, 2011, 09:33 AM   #11
Banned Camp
 
H2O MAN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: US
Posts: 3,070
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bamban View Post
Are the tacticool 14s more accurate than bedded 14s?
Tacticool bedded stocks have bedding that wears out rather quickly if you shoot and remove the action often, modern chassis stocks utilize metal on metal tension bedding that does not wear out.

Accuracy can be the same, but all things being equal the edge goes to the modern chassis stocks because the SAGE semi free floats the barrel and the Rogue totally free floats the barrel.

Thanks from i8mtm
H2O MAN is offline  
Old August 29th, 2011, 09:34 AM   #12
Master Gunner
 
adrbe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Denver
Posts: 874
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bamban View Post
Are the tacticool 14s more accurate than bedded 14s?
I doubt it, but I don't know. Something tells me you already know the answer to that question...

adrbe is offline  
Old August 29th, 2011, 09:35 AM   #13
Lifer
 
Bamban's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 4,110

Awards Showcase

Quote:
Originally Posted by H2O MAN View Post
Tacticool bedded stocks have bedding that wears out rather quickly if you shoot and remove the action often, modern chassis stocks utilize metal on metal tension bedding that does not wear out.

Accuracy can be the same, but all things being equal the edge goes to the modern chassis stocks because the SAGE semi free floats the barrel and the Rogue totally free floats the barrel.

I've never seen one on the range to see how these new chassis shoot. Let me take that back, I did see a short barreled one but that one did not shoot or the shooter can't shoot. Besides, I am only interested in 22 inchers in case they become legal in competition someday like the M110.

Bamban is online now  
Old August 29th, 2011, 11:04 AM   #14
Scout Sniper
 
Bad Mojo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Towanda, Il
Posts: 749
I just purchased one of those expensive and heavy stocks (Troy MCS SASS.) My intentions were for a bench/sniper-style set-up. That's what I want it for. It's heavy as hell. But I don't care. I'm not an operator. I carry it from my Jeep and walk over to the bench. I just like what it can do and that it makes mounting modern optics and other accoutrements so easy. All that makes my shooting experience better. I'm not interested in a wood stock that limits the use to irons only. If I were limited to only that, I would not be as enamored with this platform. 31 Flavors, baby. Technology is out there and I don't mind moving with it in this case.

Thanks from H2O MAN
Bad Mojo is offline  
Old August 29th, 2011, 11:56 AM   #15
Rest in Peace
 
Gun Rider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 796
More accuracy. No bedding. built in comfortable, adjustible Cheek rest -- that's why I opt for JAE --


Thanks from H2O MAN, leadbug, Gman56 and 1 others
Gun Rider is offline  
Reply

  M14 Forum > M14 M1A Forum > Modern M14



Search tags for this page

delta 14 chassis

,

delta-14 chassis

,

delta14 chassis

,

m14alcs/pmri -airsoft

,

magpul sga delta 14 chassis

,

sage cantilever scope mount

,

sage tension too much

,

souped up m1a

,

splain it to me lucy charlie sheen

,

takealongproteinsnack

Click on a term to search for related topics.

Moderator Tools
Display Modes




Top Gun Sites Top Sites List