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Old June 26th, 2011, 08:26 PM   #1
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M1a Scout Safety issue

So, first outing with the Scout today, and I will try to post up some pics but I had serious issue.
The first round loaded fine, but when I went to engage the safety, it would not move back into the trigger guard to engage. I could not put he safety "on".
Now, I had experienced this earlier with an empty chamber, and I just sort of thought, well, maybe its because there's no actual round in the chamber (I know a little naive of me, but I am new to this rifle).
With a little experimentation, and really, I only felt safe doing this at a range and the muzzle pointed downrange, I found that I could could engage the safety when the op rod had taveled about half way down the chamber.
THis is NO WAY to engage a safety with any confidence. I does not seem that it is broken, I mean, it does engage when I fiddle with it in this manner, so has anyone else had this issue?
Its a new SAI scout, first time out, any ideas?

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Old June 26th, 2011, 09:26 PM   #2
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Is the hammer cocked? If not the safety won't engage.

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Old June 26th, 2011, 10:19 PM   #3
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Yes, it is cocked.
1. I draw the op rod all the way back locked
2. I try to engage the safety, no go
3. I load a mag into the rifle
4. I give the op rod a tug to release it and then let it travel forward to engage a round into the chamber.
5. I try to engage the safety, no go

Here's how I can engage it.
1. I draw the op rod all the way back locked
2. I give the op rod a tug and allow it to ease forward slowly, I apply pressure to the safety and at some point when the oprod has traveled about half the distance toward the chamber, the safety engages.

As you can see, its not something to try around the house (though it does work even if a loaded mag is not in place) and even at a range, I would not want anyone to know I was experimenting with it in this manner.

Why is only sometimes working? Or really, why is it not working as it should?

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Old June 26th, 2011, 10:30 PM   #4
 
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I'm no expert but I would remove the trigger group cock the hammer manually then try to engage the safety. If you still have the issue then you could disassemble the trigger group reassemble it and try again. Dissaembly is fun to say the least. If your not comfortable with that then call Springfield and have them fix it. God bless the warrenty.

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Old June 26th, 2011, 10:35 PM   #5
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I don't think the safety will engage with the op-rod locked back and the bolt open.
But, it should engage with the bolt forward, round chanbered or not. Call SAI. They might have a quick fix, or ask you to send it to them for repair.

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Old June 26th, 2011, 10:44 PM   #6
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Sounds like the hammer isn't going low enough to engage the safety. Some dimension in the trigger group is incorrect. Call SA Inc....

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Old June 26th, 2011, 10:46 PM   #7
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I've used a couple that were very difficult to engage at first and broke in with use. As yours totally fails to engage I agree it is time to make the call to SAI. Let us know how it works out.

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Old June 26th, 2011, 11:09 PM   #8
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Aww man, I do not want to have to send it back. It shot pretty well today too. I walked it up from 25 to 50 to 100 yards.
Funny thing, the very first round failed to fire. Just the old, click-ping. I was bumming hard at that point since the safety issue was apparent at that point in any case and I was thinking, NOOOOoooo, not the bolt too!
But I cleare out the round, loaded her up again, and went at it. No more FTFs through 75 rounds.
Oh well, maybe I won't have to send it off. Still, I am not savvy with the guts of this thing either. I will keep everyone informed of things, let's see what they say, I will have to take a lunch hour and hash it out with them, too bad I won't be able to do it with the rifle in front of me when I am at work.

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Old June 27th, 2011, 06:27 AM   #9
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Pull the trigger group out, you'll see the nose of the safety and a weird looking protrusion on the side of the hammer against the trigger housing. With the hammer cocked and looking at the safety try to engage the safety. If the nose is running into the protrusion and no going over it and pulling the hammer down, there's your problem.

Where in So CA are you? I'm in Riverside, if you're not too far and want another pair of eyes to look at it, let me know.

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Old June 27th, 2011, 08:13 AM   #10
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The safety on my SAI Scout was extremely hard to engage at first. It's gotten easier over time. However, it sounds like you need to call SAI and send the rifle back. They'll fix it and they should pay shipping both ways.

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Old June 27th, 2011, 09:41 AM   #11
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Aww man, I do not want to have to send it back.
Welcome to the 21st century. SAI's warranty is pretty good and they seem to care. I'd say send it back and let them know. Word on the forum is that they have pretty good turn-around on rifles.

Send it back.

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Old June 27th, 2011, 10:12 AM   #12
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NoEx, not too far from you, I'm in O'side, work in Irvine. I need to take the rifle down when I get home tonight and look at the trigger group.
I should have done it last night, but I was tired and in no mood after the cleaning and breathing of cordite all day and barrel solvents all night. Still sneezing black.
I am going to try to talk with SAI this afternoon.

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Old June 27th, 2011, 12:42 PM   #13
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and after a brief consultation with a customer service rep, they have asked for it back. I am sure they will probably just install a new trigger group, but I think I will at least have a brief look tonight before I send it out. Maybe take some pics for reference.

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Old June 27th, 2011, 01:25 PM   #14
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Yeah, have a look before you sent it back. It's POSSIBLE that the hammer was following the bolt the first couple times you tried it, and that's why the safety wouldn't engage. Try it now that you've put some rounds through it.


Although if it truly was a hammer-follow issue, you should send it back anyway.

The first M1A I bought has hammer follow in GI and SA stocks, but not in Polytech/norinco stocks. I haven't bothered to try a different trigger group as I don't have one handy.

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Hey jerm, where do you shoot normally? I live in San Diego and only shoot my rifles a few times a year due to the lack of access to long distance ranges.

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