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Old December 25th, 2016, 01:31 PM   #1
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No Vertical Takeoff for Russia

This video is a concise history of Russia's attempt and failure to produce a viable vertical takeoff jet fighter:


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Old December 25th, 2016, 02:09 PM   #2
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Not sure I call it a failure... they ran out of time and money. The YAK-28 was deployed in Afghanistan.

In the end. They came up with a better solution. A conventional jet capable of rolling no cat takeoffs from a ski ramp equipped ship.


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Old December 25th, 2016, 03:08 PM   #3
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Heard on the news the other day that Russia only has one aircraft carrier?? Does not sound true, anyone know for sure??

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Heard on the news the other day that Russia only has one aircraft carrier?? Does not sound true, anyone know for sure??

Very true, the one Iran has is an old USSR one as well. Russia isn't as strong as Putin is trying convince. He has nukes, but I pray he isn't crazy enough to use them. He has some high end tech but not enough to make a dent. Think end of the war Germany.

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The sad part about what they do have though, . . . if they ever decided to take the Islamic way out, . . . taking down the opposition by suicide, . . . Russia could just detonate her nuclear arsenal, . . . the fallout would destroy the rest of the world in less than a year.

In a briefing I was part of many many years ago, . . . we were told to always be proud of our advantage, . . . the Russians could kill us some 15 times over, . . . but we could kill them 37 times over.

Not sure where we were to pound our chests on that one, . . . but it was that way.

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Old December 26th, 2016, 06:16 AM   #6
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That jump jet looks suspiciously like a Harrier AV-8. Of course the Ruskies' were/are good at stealing our tech, they also copied our B-29, F-15 & space shuttle, just not as good at building them or getting them to work when laborers have no incentive under Communism. In the end it was Reagan, Capitalism & "Star Wars" that bankrupted them because they knew we could build it and make it work, Russia is still a 3rd world country with a 1st world military, but, just not as good as ours.

Russia's lone aircraft carrier the Admiral Kuznetsov is a Cold War era death trap, it was ordered in 1981, and languished through the collapse of the Soviet Union, didn't become fully operational until 1995, then underwent refit in 2015, she was supposed to be the ship of the line, but only one other hull was built and they sold it to China whom finished and commissioned it the Liaoning. Russia has had nothing but trouble with the Admiral Kuznetsov, fires, deaths, engine failures and I read they had to tow it most of the way to the Mediterranean. So far they've lost at least 2 aircraft on takeoff & landing due to mechanical & design failures while supporting Syrian operations against ISIS, most all the planes have been transferred off the carrier to a land base in the region while they work on it's issues.

No way they can compete with us....

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lately,they have been doing real well on verticle landings

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lately,they have been doing real well on verticle landings
Anything to back that up as I'm curious...Last I heard they had a few Yak-141 VTOL prototypes mothballed over 20 years ago, although with Putin's renewed interests in strengthening his military and "Getting the old band back together" I don't rule out your claim...

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Very true, the one Iran has is an old USSR one as well. Russia isn't as strong as Putin is trying convince. He has nukes, but I pray he isn't crazy enough to use them. He has some high end tech but not enough to make a dent. Think end of the war Germany.
The other Soviet built "true" aircraft carrier is now owned by China, not Iran.

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That jump jet looks suspiciously like a Harrier AV-8. Of course the Ruskies' were/are good at stealing our tech, they also copied our B-29, F-15 & space shuttle, just not as good at building them or getting them to work when laborers have no incentive under Communism. In the end it was Reagan, Capitalism & "Star Wars" that bankrupted them because they knew we could build it and make it work, Russia is still a 3rd world country with a 1st world military, but, just not as good as ours.

Russia's lone aircraft carrier the Admiral Kuznetsov is a Cold War era death trap, it was ordered in 1981, and languished through the collapse of the Soviet Union, didn't become fully operational until 1995, then underwent refit in 2015, she was supposed to be the ship of the line, but only one other hull was built and they sold it to China whom finished and commissioned it the Liaoning. Russia has had nothing but trouble with the Admiral Kuznetsov, fires, deaths, engine failures and I read they had to tow it most of the way to the Mediterranean. So far they've lost at least 2 aircraft on takeoff & landing due to mechanical & design failures while supporting Syrian operations against ISIS, most all the planes have been transferred off the carrier to a land base in the region while they work on it's issues.

No way they can compete with us....
Yet....

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Despite the Obamanation's best efforts to turn America into a 3rd world craphole and neuter our military it's still the best in the world.

23 Days/16 Hours/34 Minutes until that piece of crap leaves office. The little dictator just raised tensions again in the Middle East with his UN shenanigans against Israel, and provoked Russia again by allowing more US arms to flow to Syrian (ISIS) Rebels, someone seriously needs to take away that Jackwagon's pen & phone because he's purposely causing as much damage as he can on the way out. I Don't doubt someone will have to tell him "it's time to go" like they did Jimmy Carter and pry him off the Resolute Desk.

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Anything to back that up as I'm curious...Last I heard they had a few Yak-141 VTOL prototypes mothballed over 20 years ago, although with Putin's renewed interests in strengthening his military and "Getting the old band back together" I don't rule out your claim...
Maybe you haven't had your morning coffee yet... He referred to landings only... (crash and burn).

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Maybe you haven't had your morning coffee yet... He referred to landings only... (crash and burn).
Ya, I forgot the guy has a wicked sense of humor. My bad.

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Not only do they only have one aircraft carrier in fleet service right now (cruising around the Straits of Gibraltar just a few days ago) but they only have one battlecruiser (they are supposedly refitting a 2nd for re-deployment in 2018), 3 cruisers, and 15 destroyers...

Compared to our 10 carriers, 22 cruisers, and 63 destroyers, including the new Zumwalt class. Sure we don't have any battlecruisers / battleships active anymore, but with the way the modern Navy functions, why would we?

Also - when it comes to Subs they have 13 ballistic subs, 7 cruise missile subs, 18 attack and 23 conventional attack subs.

Comparatively we have 14 active ballistic / cruise missile subs, and 52 "attack" subs

No - their navy is deeply lacking compared to ours, as is their air force in terms of generation of craft / technology. We have 1 fully deployed Generation 5 fighters out there, with 2 more on the way,... they are just in testing on theirs (supposed deploy in 2018, but not sure they'll make that one).

The Chinese air force has the J-20 deployed last year (2016), but my understanding in a side-by-side comparison it MIGHT edge out the F/A-18 Super / Advanced Super Hornet in some ways but not in others... and it probably can't go toe-to-toe against the F-22 let alone the F-35 A or B which appears to utterly destroy pretty much anything that is PLANNED to be in the air for the next decade (and yeah, Boeing and Lockheed are already working on Gen 6 fighter designs).

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I wouldn't be too concerned about Naval Air by either the Russians or the Chinese. Each have one jump jet type carrier, and judging by the video of the launch's that I saw, they can't carry much when they do make it off the deck. Sure as heck not as much as the Super Hornet or the old A-6.

Wish they still had something that can carry the bomb load of the old Intruder. IMO, the carrier kind of lost it's punch when they retired it. The Super comes close, but doesn't go as far.

There was a huge and expensive learning curve for the US Navy and its carrier operations. We have come close to perfecting it. The Russians and the Chinese have a very long way to go to before their carrier ops are anywhere near as good as ours. A very long way.

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