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Old December 6th, 2016, 10:16 PM   #1
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On Sunday morning, December 7, 1941, the Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service attacked Naval Station Pearl Harbor in Honolulu, Hawaii, without warning and without a declaration of war, killing 2,403 American non-combatants, and injuring 1,178 others. The attack sank two U.S. Navy battleships and damaged five others. It also damaged three cruisers, three destroyers, and one minelayer. Aircraft losses were 188 destroyed and 159 damaged.

75 years later, we remember the greatest generation that stood up and joined the war effort to stop a whole planet at war.


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Old December 7th, 2016, 02:24 AM   #2
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Thanks for the reminder. May we never forget.
My American Legion Post is named after two men who gave their lives in defense of our nation, one was the first hometown man killed in WW1, and the other was killed at Pearl Harbor. May their memories and sacrifices be ever in our hearts.

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Old December 7th, 2016, 02:40 AM   #3
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It's sad that I was just having a conversation with one of my co workers who didn't know what today was. He is also a Sanders supporter so go figure. I had to educate him on it and hopefully something will stick. He's a smart guy, but it baffles me that he along with a mass majority of the population don't know about this day.

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It's sad that I was just having a conversation with one of my co workers who didn't know what today was. He is also a Sanders supporter so go figure. I had to educate him on it and hopefully something will stick. He's a smart guy, but it baffles me that he along with a mass majority of the population don't know about this day.
I would say one of the biggest reasons for this is that the high schools today do not teach World War history. Reason: They don't want to "offend" anybody! Tom from MN

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It's sad that I was just having a conversation with one of my co workers who didn't know what today was. He is also a Sanders supporter so go figure. I had to educate him on it and hopefully something will stick. He's a smart guy, but it baffles me that he along with a mass majority of the population don't know about this day.
It is a sad situation that Pearl Harbor is relegated to page 9 in the newspaper and 30 seconds on TV. Schools don't teach history to speak of these days and we're three generations removed from the Greatest Generation now. Unless today is made into some sort of holiday I think Dec.7 will disappear from the country's memory. But then I don't want to see mattress and car sales on Dec.7 either!

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Old December 7th, 2016, 06:38 AM   #7
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Well, I will never forget. My grandfather served as a corpsman in the Pacific for the whole war...then he went to Korea.

Forgetting things of this nature is liberals at their best. They refuse to learn history...unless it benefits their agenda. Unfortunately, they have turned their ways to the teaching of our children. Hopefully, this will stop in starting January.

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On Sunday morning, December 7, 1941, the Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service attacked Naval Station Pearl Harbor in Honolulu, Hawaii, without warning and without a declaration of war, killing 2,403 American non-combatants, and injuring 1,178 others. The attack sank two U.S. Navy battleships and damaged five others. It also damaged three cruisers, three destroyers, and one minelayer. Aircraft losses were 188 destroyed and 159 damaged.

75 years later, we remember the greatest generation that stood up and joined the war effort to stop a whole planet at war.

Technically, the USS West Virginia and USS California were sunk, they were raised, repaired, and returned to service, in 1944.

The USS Maryland, USS Tennessee, and USS Nevada were not seriously damaged, and were back in service in less than two months for the first two and 10 months for the USS Nevada.

And, while technically an auxiliary the USS Utah was torpedoed and capsized, she was never righted and remains partially submerged today off Ford Island, on the opposite side of the island from the USS Missouri and USS Arizona. The remains of the men that perished with her remain inside the hulk, and is considered a grave.

In many ways, the attack was a failure on many levels.

One - the damage to the battle fleet was serious but not dire. Only five of fourteen available battleships were out of action and most of the new South Dakota class were already launched, and being fitted-out, due to enter service in early 1942.

Two - there was no serious damage to the all important cruiser fleet (you though I was going to say "carrier", didn't you), or major destruction of destroyers. Without adequate cruiser and destroyer support, no battle fleet, battleship-based or carrier-based could hope to survive for long.

[I won't mention the aircraft carriers, as they were not present at that time, so are outside the available targets for Admiral Nagumo.]

Three - None of the vital infrastructure of the Naval base was attacked. Throughout the war the dry-dock and other repair facilities were used to quickly return battle-damaged ships to the front without the need to sail (or be towed) all the way back to the West Coast. Case-in-point: the USS Yorktown prior to the Battle of Midway.

Four - Fuel storage was not damaged.

Had the damage done to the fleet occurred in open water, none of the salvaged ships would have been salvageable, and likely some of the three damaged ships would have been lost.

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Technically, the USS West Virginia and USS California were sunk, they were raised, repaired, and returned to service, in 1944.

The USS Maryland, USS Tennessee, and USS Nevada were not seriously damaged, and were back in service in less than two months for the first two and 10 months for the USS Nevada.

And, while technically an auxiliary the USS Utah was torpedoed and capsized, she was never righted and remains partially submerged today off Ford Island, on the opposite side of the island from the USS Missouri and USS Arizona. The remains of the men that perished with her remain inside the hulk, and is considered a grave.

In many ways, the attack was a failure on many levels.

One - the damage to the battle fleet was serious but not dire. Only five of fourteen available battleships were out of action and most of the new South Dakota class were already launched, and being fitted-out, due to enter service in early 1942.

Two - there was no serious damage to the all important cruiser fleet (you though I was going to say "carrier", didn't you), or major destruction of destroyers. Without adequate cruiser and destroyer support, no battle fleet, battleship-based or carrier-based could hope to survive for long.

[I won't mention the aircraft carriers, as they were not present at that time, so are outside the available targets for Admiral Nagumo.]

Three - None of the vital infrastructure of the Naval base was attacked. Throughout the war the dry-dock and other repair facilities were used to quickly return battle-damaged ships to the front without the need to sail (or be towed) all the way back to the West Coast. Case-in-point: the USS Yorktown prior to the Battle of Midway.

Four - Fuel storage was not damaged.

Had the damage done to the fleet occurred in open water, none of the salvaged ships would have been salvageable, and likely some of the three damaged ships would have been lost.
In addition, the submarine pens weren't touched. You are correct sir, the attack could have been better planned. Thank God the Japanese failed.

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Old December 7th, 2016, 07:03 AM   #11
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I always remember this day quietly and honor those who were lost on December 7, 1941 as well as all other warriors that sacrificed and served in WWII and all other wars!

Just another reminder that we live in a world that can change quickly and having a strong military and leader is critical / essential.

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There are certain dates I don't forget, Dec 7, 1941...June 6 1944.

RIP, may we never forget...

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It's sad that I was just having a conversation with one of my co workers who didn't know what today was. He is also a Sanders supporter so go figure. I had to educate him on it and hopefully something will stick. He's a smart guy, but it baffles me that he along with a mass majority of the population don't know about this day.
This got me thinking about how many people have to ask google what certain dates are. So I compared it to the obvious off the top of my head, 9/11. You can defiantly tell when the children who were either too young or not born yet start to use google.


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The officer who administered my oath during my commissioning ceremony was a Pearl Harbor survivor. He was stationed on USS Helena (CL-50). He was also my next door neighbor growing up. I found it difficult to muster up the courage to ask him about that terrible day. I only did so once. He told me a little bit about it. He was awake for divine services that morning and was topside when the attack began. He was startled by the number of aircraft but the rising sun insignias and bombs dropping snapped him out of it. He ended by saying it was a very long day that seemed to last the whole week.

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