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Old November 21st, 2016, 05:58 AM   #1
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"Getting rid of the M14."

Old news to folks here?

Article dated 7 Sept., 2016:

"Why it's a good thing the U.S. Military is getting rid of the M14":

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-u...-of-m14-2016-9

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Old November 21st, 2016, 06:08 AM   #2
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Someone smarter than me is going to have to explain the glueing procedure of my Rockola into the Sage chassis for me
Maybey I should join and cross post the question at arfcom

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Old November 21st, 2016, 06:34 AM   #3
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Someone smarter than me is going to have to explain the glueing procedure of my Rockola into the Sage chassis for me
Maybey I should join and cross post the question at arfcom
Yeah, that was Bizarre! The M14 is Glued/Bedded into the Sage EBR Chassis !?

Huh? I'm starting to think the author has never actually met a M14/Sage EBR ?



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Old November 21st, 2016, 06:54 AM   #4
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Nothing really interesting in the article, clearly the writer is pro mouse gun. I will agree the M14 is way more expensive eliminating most from shooting it in competition. I will agree it was never designed to be a sniper rifle and making it fit that role is best left to the government or folks with deep pockets(very expensive).

The good news is when built from the ground up as a sniper rifle(such as the XM25,M25) it will keep up with the best of the best. It is rugged and dependable but best of all it is hard hitting out at distances the AR15/M16 can only dream about.

Those who depend on this rifle to saves lives (DMR) speak only praise, that in and of itself speaks volumes!

Oh just in case you guys were wondering, I won't be trading in my M14s anytime soon.

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Old November 21st, 2016, 07:05 AM   #5
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That writer knows as much about the M14 as I do about string theory physics.

Oh wait.

I do know about string cheese and shoe-string potatoes.

I must be ahead of him.

Typical example of speaking of whence you know nothing.

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Old November 21st, 2016, 07:28 AM   #6
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Another blithering idiot trying to make a paycheck by plagiarizing some other idiot who never picked one up either.

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Old November 21st, 2016, 07:30 AM   #7
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Infantrymen from every branch fielding a DMR in combat have nothing but praise for the guns’ performance in the vast expanses of Iraq and Afghanistan.
In the real world, when making a product, there's only three people whose opinion count: (1) the consumer, (2) the consumer, and (3) the consumer.

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Old November 21st, 2016, 07:50 AM   #8
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While I like the M4 and M16A2 type carbine/rifle.
I still prefer the M14.
Once I got the EBR setup correctly, it's stayed accurate.....rock solid, stayed accurate.
His comments about the M1 Carbine were a little bizarre. Carbine's recoil, awe come on dude, really ? I doubt he's owned or shot one.....I have.
The lasting tribute to the M14 is it's dirt and dust indifferent.

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While I like the M4 and M16A2 type carbine/rifle.
I still prefer the M14.
Once I got the EBR setup correctly, it's stayed accurate.....rock solid, stayed accurate.
His comments about the M1 Carbine were a little bizarre. Carbine's recoil, awe come on dude, really ? I doubt he's owned or shot one.....I have.
The lasting tribute to the M14 is it's dirt and dust indifferent.
You reminded me of the other part of his article I forgot to mention
The uncontrollable recoil of a M1 Carbine What a putz

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Old November 21st, 2016, 08:08 AM   #10
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Despite the author's claim...this does read like an opinion piece. No documentation or statistics for any of his claims.

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Old November 21st, 2016, 08:17 AM   #11
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It would seem the author writes from innuendo and not entirely factual information, or could it be that he is letting his personal opinion get in the way of the truth?

The M-1 Carbine thing again, really? Frozen Chinese Jackets stopping rounds? I have seen .30 Carbine rounds pierce an empty aluminum beer keg (both sides) from 50 yards. It was meant to replace the .45 pistol as a personal defense weapon, not to replace a rifle.

The author has to understand that our Military goes to war with the equipment it has on hand at the time, not necessarily with what they would like to have. There is a cost factor in everything that the Military does, which is daunting for them because the politicians hold the purse strings.

The M-1 Garand had to be redesigned for the .30 M2 cartridge because the decision was made to use the vast stocks of .30 caliber ammunition that was in government storehouses. The M-14's were brought back into service because they were immediately available. He should read the history of the M1-C and M1-D Garands being used as sniper rifles and how long that took to get in place.

The author also points to the fact that the AR platform has been around since the 1950's, thus intimating that the AR-10's have been readily available since then, really?

I guess that the old saw about a little bit of knowledge being a dangerous thing might apply in the author's case.

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"Accuracy is a measure of consistency when it comes to rifles"

What? Accuracy is how close one is hitting where one is aiming. Precision is how close two measurements are. One can be precise but inaccurate, such as a tight group far from the bull's-eye. One can be accurate but lack precision, such as hitting the bull's eye 3 times but also having 3 flyers. What was the author trying to say?

I have been taught that a DMR is not a sniper rifle. Is that still true? He also keeps switching between bedded, match rifles and actions in EBR chassis. Actions aren't bedded in EBR chassis are they? Do people take match conditioned, bedded, non-chassis rifles into battle and subject them to rough handling? He talks about the handguard, I asked about that on another thread and it turns out, that's a match M1 Garand thing. I've never handled a sniper rifle like a M40, M24, or M110. Can those get knocked around and still maintain accuracy and precision?

I think you could probably make modifications to a M14 or M1A that would improve accuracy and precision while still keeping it sturdy enough for rough battlefield handling. The mods would not make it a sniper rifle but good enough for DMR purposes.

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Nothing really interesting in the article, clearly the writer is pro mouse gun. I will agree the M14 is way more expensive eliminating most from shooting it in competition. I will agree it was never designed to be a sniper rifle and making it fit that role is best left to the government or folks with deep pockets(very expensive).

The good news is when built from the ground up as a sniper rifle(such as the XM25,M25) it will keep up with the best of the best. It is rugged and dependable but best of all it is hard hitting out at distances the AR15/M16 can only dream about.

Those who depend on this rifle to saves lives (DMR) speak only praise, that in and of itself speaks volumes!

Oh just in case you guys were wondering, I won't be trading in my M14s anytime soon.

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Old November 21st, 2016, 10:21 AM   #14
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It is still cheaper for uncle sam to take M14's from his pile of M14's in storage and throw them into an EBR chassis for a DMR. Buying a SR-25 costs about 2 or 3 times the price due to uncle sam already owning M14's in the first place. And they are plenty accurate. My EBR shoots around .5-.75 moa if I am patient. I shoot 1000yards all the time with 175g hand loads at a 24inch gong. If I was uncle sam I would keep doing EBR's till the mountain of M14's is gone. Why not?

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Old November 21st, 2016, 11:40 AM   #15
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I think I saw this article posted in another thread. Regardless, the articel is garbage.

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