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Old July 15th, 2016, 06:43 AM   #1
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WW2, Battalion level unit crest ID help

I'm trying to see if I can figure out what the cap badge on my Father-in-laws cap is, as I would like to find one for a shadow box we have with his photo/decorations.

Sadly, he's not here to ask, and I don't know where a good source for looking this type of thing up is.

Any help greatly appreciated.

My FIL


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The unit info from his dd214:

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Old July 15th, 2016, 06:47 AM   #2
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Those crests are usually Battalion level insignia. You can do more research here: http://www.history.army.mil/html/for...inf/0006in.htm

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Where would I look to find what battalion he was assigned to?

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Where would I look to find what battalion he was assigned to?
Now that you know the parent unit, you will just have to google every possible lead until you can find pictures of the Battalion Crests, even if it is on someone else's photo. They are often worn on epaulets as well.

Sometimes they are Regimental crests, if there is Regiment involved in the chain of command. it gets complicated.

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The photo doesn't match the 6th Armored Infantry as noted on the 214. Probably not a big deal. At the end of the war units were consolidated as men were discharged. I looked through a bunch in the past few minutes and can't find a match.

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If you have them, his discharge papers might give a bit of information to get a search started.

Looked back at the OP and see you already have that info.

Just another hint from the DD214 that might help, is knowing which campaign he involved in.


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345th Infantry Regiment

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The badge on his jacket is a Combat Infantry Badge. To earn that, your FIL would have personally fought as an infantryman (or Ranger unit) during the war. The reference to an armored unit on his DD214 could be a misnomer, or as mentioned the unit was consolidated. More research is required. Great picture though...good luck.

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Unit history: http://www.history.army.mil/html/for...gt/0345rgt.htm

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If you have them, his discharge papers might give a bit of information to get a search started.

Looked back at the OP and see you already have that info.

Just another hint from the DD214 that might help, is knowing which campaign he involved in.


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Wow! Sure looks correct!

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If you need assistance replacing his campaign ribbons and medals I posted a "How to" shortly after my Mom and I went through the process of obtaining new ribbons and medals for my Dad.

This is the link to the post in this forum.

Replacing Lost Medals

Your FIL is a man to be honored.

Jim W, I just went back through my old post and saw the shadow box you have of your FIL, and see you already have gathered his ribbons.

Nicely done.

May I suggest attaching something to the back of the display to help future relatives identify his ribbons and insignia.


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I did get replacements for the medals and they are part of the shadow box display.



I was kinda guessing when I made the display, as there was a bunch of stuff in a box that my Mother in law had. The problem was that there was stuff from my FIL's 2 brothers mixed in, and she didn't know where the dd214 was (she found it later).

I went online, and we filled out a form, and waited. In the meantime, I put together the display, with some errors. Eventually the Govt. replied, and I know which ribbons I included by mistake. I've pulled out the "good conduct, American theater and occupation" ribbons. I was a bit tickled to include the Bronze Star ribbon per the paperwork they sent. I realize it was awarded later, but still correct.

I really liked my FIL, he was a good guy. Rarely talked about his service; part of the reason it's so hard now to figure it out.

I wonder if getting wounded and was a cause for reassignment? Maybe that's why the dd214 and pin don't match?


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The 6th Armored Infantry seems to have bounced around as either a Battalion or Regiment. They served in North Africa and Italy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_In...(United_States) which is correctly indicated on the DD214.

While the photo shows him wearing late war European Theater clothing, it could have been taken anytime, including post war. The Distinctive Unit Insignia on his hat could have been from the hospital unit after he was wounded or even the separation unit. Since he is not wearing a dress uniform (with all insignia) anything is possible. He is only wearing his CIB, which might indicate that he has just been awarded it.

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I did get replacements for the medals and they are part of the shadow box display.

I really liked my FIL, he was a good guy. Rarely talked about his service; part of the reason it's so hard now to figure it out.

I wonder if getting wounded and was a cause for reassignment? Maybe that's why the dd214 and pin don't match?
My Mom is an avid ancestry researcher and has done things for others using the info from the WD AGO 53-55 (DD214) and has found discrepancies in the info on the forms.

She found one reason for the errors was there were thousands of servicemen getting out at the same time and in their haste the clerks often mis-typed things.

No one really cared back then, they were going home!

And Yes, after being wounded he may not have returned to the outfit he started with, and often one outfit may have merged with another due to lack of manpower.

Not to rag on you, but these are things WE need to ask of our living servicemen before they are gone.

To those of you that are still with us, please provide someone in your family with the information they will need once you are no longer with them.

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The badge on his jacket is a Combat Infantry Badge. To earn that, your FIL would have personally fought as an infantryman (or Ranger unit) during the war. The reference to an armored unit on his DD214 could be a misnomer, or as mentioned the unit was consolidated. More research is required. Great picture though...good luck.
He was in an Armored Infantry unit!

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