This is a discussion on Brig time within the Marines forums, part of the Armed Services category; How did it go ,I believe that when I was in ,it was called down time ( your time ) and the time in the ...
How did it go ,I believe that when I was in ,it was called down time ( your time ) and the time in the brig was not added to your or consider part of your active service ,just more time that you would be in the Marine's care .
I never got this honor as I was a goody -two -shoes and always showed up and ready as I never wanted to be in the Corps past my two year obligation and wanted that "Honorable Discharge ",but can remember being on duty or post past my requiried shift due to tarty types that the Corps seem to have a few ( alot ) of !
I've always wonder ,does anyone here know the scoop and any changes since I was in back '69-'71 ?
I was a chaser a few times and an MP at Eltoro Airbase ,but never got into why those problem Marines would be doing as most got discharges of less than honorable or as some of them would claim that after 90 days it automatic turn honorable (that was a very common saying ),right !
I did a week at the Monkey House (Brig) on Okinawa, but not as a Brig-Rat. I was In charge of a bunch of brig-rats that served on the chowline. Was a fun week, but man those brig-rats did have it rough. Were treated as if they were less than human.
I spent my last 16 months in the Marine Corps on sea duty, aboard an aircraft carrier. The last year as a brig NCO. You did not want to be a Marine sent to the brig. We had standing orders to make life a living nightmare, for any Marine sent to the hole. We had to hold ourselves to a higher standard than the Navy.
I knew a Marine cook who had been honorably discharged from the Army where he had been a tanker. He hated being a cook and tried to get a BCD by going UA and other various things. He figured he already had a good discharge and wasn't worried about a BCD. Well with all his "bad time" he could have been out of the Marines with a honorable discharge long before he was kicked out. The last I knew he was still doing brig time. Too bad because he was a great guy.
I did a week in the Brig at Camp Lejune in the early 90's (as a Marine) for Assault. We actually hazed some boot when we were down in Cuba on Op Sea Signal and he cried to the Chaplin about it. They Added that week to my discharge date as it didnt count towards service time, so I EAS'ed a week later than I should have. I did get my Honorable Discharge without any problems.
Because Lejune was the only true Brig in the region, all of the offenders from other branches had to go there after conviction and on their way to Leveanworth (sp.) They put me in the violent offender section while I was there to "teach me a lesson." ( I was only 21)
The guy in the cell to my right was in the Army and was convicted for killing his wife (pushing her off a cliff while hiking) and had a life sentence. The guy to my left was doing a 25 yr stint for exposing himself to neighbors kids. He was an Air Force Officer. Guy next to him was an Army Dog who was doing 20 years for a Rape Charge. I think about those guys from time to time and realize they are still locked up..........rotting.
I spent 30 days at CCU (corrective custody unit) at Lejeune as a result of NJP.
I could have quit at any time and went to the brig. It sure would have been easy, but I wanted to keep a little bit of my honor clean. I had wanted a career later in life after the Marine Corps to be in law enforcement which I might have a chance at now. Brig time wasn't something I thought to be too favorable in that persuit. I took CCU as an oppertunity to prove myself. I walked away from it a squad leader and a better man for it I think. While others normally spend their 21st partying it up. I spent mine smashing big rocks, into smaller rocks, into pebbles then into sand. All by the numbers with a 20# man sized steel handled sledge hammer. Ooh Rah!
siefly, I beleive that would be, Hammer sledge air cooled 20#man sized steel handled, one each OD in color.
Never did any brig time but probably should have. I ended up being the official transfer guy. Actually bad news because if you lose a prisoner you do his time.
I chased a fair amount of prisoners. One time I was transporting a guy I had gone to boot camp with from the brig to his court marshal. He asked me what I would do if he jumped out and took off running. I told him I would shoot him. He said "but we're friends". I told him if he were my friend he wouldn't put me in that position and make me serve his time. When my driver slowed at a grade the guy jumped out. I racked a round into my Model 12 and he turned white. Then he climbed back into the vehicle. To this day I am grateful that he didn't put me to the final test.
Last edited by The Pistoleer; May 5th, 2010 at 02:37 PM.
Nothing about those hammers were painted. Fact was there was only so many though. You got to rest longer the more you broke. Steel handles welded to the huge sledge wasn't easy to break, but our strength was right up there with our will to do so. We broke as many as we could each outing so they would be deadlined till repaired. I broke my fair share. To this day I have no problem ringing that bell at the county fair. A regular John Henry with my hammer.
Wasn't the Marine brig on Okinawa at Camp McTureous? No, I never spent any time at McT but, was on Okinawa for 30 months.
You guys ever hear about the Japanese prison in Otsu, near Yokosuka, Japan? Otsu was where those U.S. Forces Japan personnel were sent to when convicted by Japanese courts. When I was stationed in Yokosuka in the early 70's, one of my duties was to make monthly visits to Otsu to check on the health and welfare of the convicted military personnel. At the time there were ex-military who were sentenced for various crimes such as murder, manslaughter, rape, and drugs.
Otsu was a pretty depressing place for a visitor but, even more so if you had the bad luck of being sentenced.
My home town is Portsmouth(03801), but the Navy Yard is in Kittery Me(03809). I have been in the the prison as a kid a few times and have seen the old redline myself, I have even witnessed some of the working parties and the hard labor crews.
Now I'm no Hug-a-Thug but Portsmouth was the last stop, and a tuff road to hoe.
Right you are Phil! Portsmouth Naval Shipyard and the former (i.e. closed down) naval prison are actually located on Seavey's Island in Kittery ME.
I had a couple temporary assignments to the Portsmouth shipyard in the late 90's. Great area and great people but, I got to tell you that the old prison gives me the creeps just looking at it from a distance. It certainly is a scary looking place with reputation that rivals Alcatraz.