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Old September 10th, 2009, 07:07 PM   #1
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Question Left Handed Salutes

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I am asking this question in the jarhead forum as opposed to the corresponding branch which contains Naval personnel in the photo below. No jokes about our counterpart please as I am simply asking a legitimate question. I already have Naval personnel upset with me and this post is not intended to make fun of the way "THEY" do things. The photo I ran across just had to have Navy in it but it made me think of left handed salutes and prompted me to ask the question. I am just a stupid machine gunner that enjoyed killing beau coup little people back in the sixties. Spit shine, drill and all that rules and regulation crap mean nothing to me. Thank You

I am sure that a left handed salute might very well be allowed for those that have lost their right limb ...

Can anyone enlighten me as to whether or not a left handed salute would be allowable at any other time ???

Reference the photo below I would have thought that this seaman would have held his instrument in his left hand and saluted with the right ... NO ???????



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Old September 10th, 2009, 09:23 PM   #2
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If played with the left hand, wouldn't the pipe be upside down, CJ?

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Old September 10th, 2009, 09:36 PM   #3
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Actually only the Naval services (Navy and Marine Corps) are authorized to salute with the left hand when neccessary. This usually means when your right hand/ arm is incapacitated due to injury but it can also apply at other times. It is standard procedure for the bosun to salute with the left hand while piping with the right.

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What RAMMAC said. A few years ago at work (fire dept) a reporter snapped a pic of one of the guys in the color guard saluting with his left hand because his right was holding the flag. He caught a real ration of sh*t from one of the deputies and it really bothered him. I mean, this guy was distraught that someone would think that he would intentionally disrespect the flag. Two weeks after the fact and he was still upset. Any way, I thought I remembered something about a left handed salute being allowed under certain circumstances so I called the wife at work and asked to do a little Googling. Sure enough, she found it. I don't remember what rule book she pulled it from but it was an authentic USN manual. She printed off the pertinent page and I passed it on to my buddy. When he read that his face lit up like a kid on Christmas morning and he couldn't get up to the deputies office fast enough. Sometimes the good guys do win one.

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Old September 11th, 2009, 09:21 AM   #5
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Would you consider the Rifle Salute a "left-handed" salute?

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Old September 11th, 2009, 12:07 PM   #6
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I don believe so as the rifle it'self replaces the hand in the salute. The salute is carried out from either port arms or parade rest. Either way port arms comes into play.

Port arms simply means that the muzzle is pointed to the left, otherwise it would be starbord arms

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Old September 11th, 2009, 01:23 PM   #7
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Hawk, you're thinking of Present Arms.

The rifle salute is rendered from the POA i.e. order arms, or from left shoulder or right shoulder arms. When at order arms or right shoulder arms, the rifle salute is rendered with the left hand.

http://www.amazon.com/U-S-Marine-Gui...7512360#reader It's page 3-13 in the EST book, search for "rifle salute" in Amazon's copy.

Salutes vary with position and equipment. I have no problem believing that when a BM is "armed" with the pipe, he renders a salute left handed.


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Old September 11th, 2009, 04:21 PM   #8
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I was a US Naval officer. I can remember many times when salutes were rendered with left hands while right hands were otherwise legitimately engaged. Seemed normal to me as I never studied how other services did it.

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Chaplains routinely salute left handed, explaining that they are 'carrying a cross' in the right hand. I was not a chaplain, but I have returned 'left handed' salutes without even being aware of it until later. I guess a salute is a salute.

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Old September 13th, 2009, 03:42 PM   #10
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Not being able to see his right arm, . . . the assumption must be that the sailor in question is a Bosun's Mate, . . . and he is most likely "Piping" aboard some kind of dignitary who rated a hand salute, . . . or perhaps "Colors".

Either way, . . . it is tradition for the BM to pipe right handed and render a left handed salute.

And for those who have never tried it, . . . an M60 is a whole lot easier to play than that dumb, nickle plated whisle pipe.

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Old September 13th, 2009, 05:36 PM   #11
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Do the Marines have a "carry arms" position for the rifle?

Carry Arms in the Army was rifle vertical, right trigger finger inside the trigger guard, muzzle against the right shoulder, right thumb on the front of the rifle and the other three fingers extended along side the rifle stock (pointing down).

When at "carry arms" if we had to salute, we did it with the left hand, by raising the left hand up, forearm horizontal and left hand with fingers extended and across the stock of the rifle (that is vertical on the right side of the body).

This may have only been done in the Old Guard and maybe only because of the influence of the US Army Colors Team which was part of Honor Guard Co. at the time I was there.

If remember correctly this was done mostly at the White House where we had some routine "jobs" that required a posted on the driveway/out of sight behind the bushes while waiting on the next posting to the driveway and this was repeated several times. During the time we were "behind the bushes" we had to carry our rifles but we were not in formation, sort of a mobile "at ease". We were not allowed to smoke in "blues" but we were allowed to move around and converse between postings.

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Hardee's book (ca 1860) describes 'Shoulder Arms' as thumb in front of trigger guard, index finger behind, and remaining fingers pointing down toward the rifle butt, the rifle being 'nestled' in the right shoulder, sights to the rear. There is no current position like this, though 'Trail Arms' could be a cousin. From both 'Shoulder Arms' and 'Support Arms' (or the British version, 'Slope Arms'), the salute was rendered with the left hand.

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Do the Marines have a "carry arms" position for the rifle?

Carry Arms in the Army was rifle vertical, right trigger finger inside the trigger guard, muzzle against the right shoulder, right thumb on the front of the rifle and the other three fingers extended along side the rifle stock (pointing down).

When at "carry arms" if we had to salute, we did it with the left hand, by raising the left hand up, forearm horizontal and left hand with fingers extended and across the stock of the rifle (that is vertical on the right side of the body).

This may have only been done in the Old Guard and maybe only because of the influence of the US Army Colors Team which was part of Honor Guard Co. at the time I was there.

If remember correctly this was done mostly at the White House where we had some routine "jobs" that required a posted on the driveway/out of sight behind the bushes while waiting on the next posting to the driveway and this was repeated several times. During the time we were "behind the bushes" we had to carry our rifles but we were not in formation, sort of a mobile "at ease". We were not allowed to smoke in "blues" but we were allowed to move around and converse between postings.

I don't know if it was taught as a seperate manual of arms movement but the Marine Corps did use a carry arms movement for open and close ranks and right/ left step. These were the only times I remember using a carry arms style movement so no salute would be possible because you were in the process of executing the movements themselves. Also, since you were in formation the unit leader would provide any neccessary salute unless of course a formation salute were required and then a hand salute or rifle salute would be ordered.

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The Bell Ringer at 8th & I salutes with his left hand, while ringing the bell with his right.

I remember that one because it was a question during my meritorious Cpl board.

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