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Old July 10th, 2013, 10:26 AM   #1
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USMC snipers with M14's in Vietnam??

YOU BET....On a limited scale.We all know the great Marine Corps sniper Chuck Mawhinney with his famous M40/Redfield rifle (which now is on display in the new USMC museum)But when Mawhinney stopped an NVA attack at night Chuck used an M14 sniper rifle equipped with a starlight scope to head shoot 16 NVA soldiers in about 16 seconds;stopping the attack (and them )dead in its tracks.

Wild Bill Donovan was Carlos Hathcocks sniper platoon armorer in 'Nam and used his Unertl mounted M14 to dispatch numerous NVA and VC with it .Although the M14 was not used as the main sniper rifle in Vietnam ,it was used by enterprising Marines who knew its effectiveness
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Old July 10th, 2013, 11:36 AM   #2
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Thank you for your post. I have not seen the Unertl mounted M14 before. What publication did you acquire your images and information from? I would like to obtain a copy, great information cheers

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Thank you for your post. I have not seen the Unertl mounted M14 before. What publication did you acquire your images and information from? I would like to obtain a copy, great information cheers
The pictures were from Peter Senich's book " The one round war : USMC Scout Snipers in Vietnam "

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I wonder where he found the facilities in Vietnam to "fabricate" all those parts?

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I wonder where he found the facilities in Vietnam to "fabricate" all those parts?
Donovan explains how in the book , he actually made the retaining clip for the set screw from a beer tab . The scope and mount are now on Donavan's personal Springfield Armory M14 (M1A)
Donavan also revealed that Carlos Hathcocks original sniper rifle was a standard Pre 64 Model 70 Winchester ( NOT a heavy barrel ) with a Unertl 10 x scope . Donavan stated that the throat of the rifle was pretty well shot out ; only good for a few shots , but he also added Hathcock rarely needed more than one .


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Donovan explains how in the book , he actually made the retaining clip for the set screw from a beer tab . The scope and mount are now on Donavan's personal Springfield Armory M14 (M1A)
Donavan also revealed that Carlos Hathcocks original sniper rifle was a standard Pre 64 Model 70 Winchester ( NOT a heavy barrel ) with a Unertl 10 x scope . Donavan stated that the throat of the rifle was pretty well shot out ; only good for a few shots , but he also added Hathcock rarely needed more than one .
I was thinking more about the mount for the Unertl shown in photo #4. It says he made it in Vietnam. It appears to be quite well fabricated and I don't know of facilities with the equipment for that type work. Just curious.

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I was thinking more about the mount for the Unertl shown in photo #4. It says he made it in Vietnam. It appears to be quite well fabricated and I don't know of facilities with the equipment for that type work. Just curious.
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Interesting. Thanks for posting.

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I didn't get involved in weaponry while in RVN, . . . just had my 45, grease gun, and M14.

But I was around a whole troop of Navy guys that could make most anything you wanted out of practically nothing.

I had personally never been exposed to "seat of your pants" engineering, . . . but in RVN it was often times that or not at all.

I can see the mount being built there, . . . no problemo, . . . most of the guys were really savvy at putting stuff together.

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This was an interesting read. Thank you!

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Wild Bill knocks off VC using a Unertl Varmint scope on a M2 using a special mount and is confirmed by the Seabee's at 1865yds.

I wonder where Carlos got idea for his shot? and Wild Bill's hit was at a longer distance too boot.

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Wild Bill knocks off VC using a Unertl Varmint scope on a M2 using a special mount and is confirmed by the Seabee's at 1865yds.

I wonder where Carlos got idea for his shot? and Wild Bill's hit was at a longer distance too boot.
The Unertl was at the time and still is a precise optical instrument : with micrometer adjustment . Combined with an Accurized M14 it would be indeed a formidable long range weapon . As proven .

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The Unertl was at the time and still is a precise optical instrument : with micrometer adjustment . Combined with an Accurized M14 it would be indeed a formidable long range weapon . As proven .
I agree it would have been a better Long Range platform with Match Ammo, not so with de-linked ball ammo. I should have added more info. My post wasn't about the Unertl and its use on the M14 it was about Wild Bill's use of the shorter body Unertl Varmint scope on the M2, before Carlos used his Target Spot on a M2.

Cudo's go to Wild Bill for bumping off a VC using a shorter scope at distance, before Carlos did, also Cudo's for the Seabee's for triangulating the and confirming the distance, unlike the ball parked distance for Hathcock's shot?

As a side note, shooters out in the field don't have spare mounts for different weapons platforms just to try out on a whim, Carlos mounted his Target Spot on a M2 with a mount he just happened too have with him, someone had too have given him the idea? or he was told what Wild Bill had done at one time. Not one to be out done by another shooter he had too give try it for himself?

Carlos had the better scope, Wild Bill made the shot using a scope that wasn't as good and did so before anyone else.

That was my point.


edit: Sorry, I forgot Hathcock's claimed distance was almost 2500yds.


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