M14 Forum

willriskit · October 12th, 2011, 12:03 PM

A meeting was held by MCL Dept. Leadership yesterday evening and one of the points raised was: How much service does one need to have to earn the title Marine? According to those in authority, anyone with as little as one day of active duty in the Marine Corps is considered to be a Marine in the Midwest Dept. and qualified to hold the highest league offices. At that point a very senior retired Marine Staff NCO and another Marine walked out.

If anyone else is interested in preserving the integrity of the MCL, I would urge you to have both your detachment and department determine specifically what constitutes a Marine and include this definition in your regulations. Otherwise, just consider this message the ramblings of an old man.

Hiram325 · October 12th, 2011, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by willriskit

A meeting was held by MCL Dept. Leadership yesterday evening and one of the points raised was: How much service does one need to have to earn the title Marine? According to those in authority, anyone with as little as one day of active duty in the Marine Corps is considered to be a Marine in the Midwest Dept. and qualified to hold the highest league offices. At that point a very senior retired Marine Staff NCO and another Marine walked out.

If anyone else is interested in preserving the integrity of the MCL, I would urge you to have both your detachment and department determine specifically what constitutes a Marine and include this definition in your regulations. Otherwise, just consider this message the ramblings of an old man.

I'm a Marine too, with more than one day of service LOL. I'm curious, what makes that Marine with only a day of service not a Marine? Though the whole "one day" thing seems somewhat overwrought. How many "one day" Marines are there anyway?

BrokenVet · October 12th, 2011, 12:26 PM

It takes 13 weeks to earn the title Marine and it is given to those who have earned it on graduation day. Anything else is a bunch of BS.

Dare2Think · October 12th, 2011, 12:30 PM

Maybe I’m missing something here, but I thought the moment you were released from your Drill Instructors (on the Parade deck), upon graduation, you were now a jarhead…never heard anything about time in service needed?

GardenValley · October 12th, 2011, 12:52 PM

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It takes 13 weeks to earn the title Marine and it is given to those who have earned it on graduation day. Anything else is a bunch of BS.

Agreed!

For those who think one day is sufficient, how about this .......

A recruit arrives at boot camp, spends one day there, admits he is under age and wants to go back to momma, and is sent home. Is he a Marine? IDFTS!! This has occurred countless times, but each of those underage kids spent one day in the Corps. What a joke!

montanawheeler · October 12th, 2011, 12:55 PM

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Agreed!

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Semper Fi

Bamban · October 12th, 2011, 12:56 PM

Do the USMC band members go through the same boot camp. Someone told me No. Then again this is not a Marine. I would not know, I was in the Boys Scout Camp

Hiram325 · October 12th, 2011, 01:04 PM

I took the OP to mean a single day as a Marine. A man(or woman) who does not march across the Parade Deck on Graduation Day at either Parris Island, San Diego or Quantico is not a Marine by my definition. The Band included. They're world-class musicians, but there is no exception to the above for them. I don't know what to call them.

Swamp Rat · October 12th, 2011, 01:05 PM

Does this include those who did not complete service with an honorable discharge and were given a Big Chicken Dinner before 4 years of service?

BrokenVet · October 12th, 2011, 01:08 PM

Hmmm, one day Marines eh! Let's see here, If I remember right our DI's called us Maggots and other colorful names for the first 7 weeks of boot, then we were recruits until grad day.

BrokenVet · October 12th, 2011, 01:10 PM

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Does this include those who did not complete service with an honorable discharge and were given a Big Chicken Dinner before 4 years of service?

I do not think so. The Big Chicken Dinner only means someone screwed up big time.

2336USMC · October 12th, 2011, 01:25 PM

This issue goes to Korea Marines. I just recently learned more of that history.

In those days, a man could be a Marine Reservist, and be serving at the reserve unit for some time without going to boot camp. They had to schedule a slot.

With the blowup in Korea, some reserve units were called up and sent on short notice, so there were some Reserve Marines thrown right into combat without ever having been to boot camp. Some of them were in the worst fights, and did themselves and the Corps proud.

So there's the question. How do you tell a guy that fought through hell in Korea that he's not a Marine because he didn't go to boot camp before he got thrown into combat?

In the modern era this doesn't happen anymore, and a new Marine is born on the parade deck on graduation day.

Hiram325 · October 12th, 2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 2336USMC

This issue goes to Korea Marines. I just recently learned more of that history.

In those days, a man could be a Marine Reservist, and be serving at the reserve unit for some time without going to boot camp. They had to schedule a slot.

With the blowup in Korea, some reserve units were called up and sent on short notice, so there were some Reserve Marines thrown right into combat without ever having been to boot camp. Some of them were in the worst fights, and did themselves and the Corps proud.

So there's the question. How do you tell a guy that fought through hell in Korea that he's not a Marine because he didn't go to boot camp before he got thrown into combat?

In the modern era this doesn't happen anymore, and a new Marine is born on the parade deck on graduation day.

I happen to know an old Jarhead like that. Richard has a Silver Star & a Purple Heart earned at the Chosin Reservoir among a few other things, I'd say him and those like him are a huge exception to what I posted earlier.

willriskit · October 12th, 2011, 01:47 PM

That was the determination. The individual concerned never completed MCRD or PI and entered OCS from college and was dropped for medical reasons after three weeks. USMC regs only count this time as active duty if the candidate graduates and MCL rules specify at least ninety days active duty for membership. This character has also worn dress blues with a blood stripe for years at color guards and last summer was self-promoted to sergeant and added a good conduct ribbon! Check your local and department MCL regs because there are some major loopholes in ours. This individual is now the state commandant.

Korea veterans have an exemption and I know of several in the league.

CAVman · October 12th, 2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by willriskit

That was the determination. The individual concerned never completed MCRD or PI and entered OCS from college and was dropped for medical reasons after three weeks. USMC regs only count this time as active duty if the candidate graduates and MCL rules specify at least ninety days active duty for membership. This character has also worn dress blues with a blood stripe for years at color guards and last summer was self-promoted to sergeant and added a good conduct ribbon! Check your local and department MCL regs because there are some major loopholes in ours. This individual is now the state commandant.

Korea veterans have an exemption and I know of several in the league.

I was Not a Marine...but I would have to Call BS! on that Crap !!!

CAVman in WYoming