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Old March 6th, 2017, 03:49 PM   #1
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Any point in having a 300 Blackout ? Or recommend other caliber

I have 5 M1A's- 3 complete, 2 still needing parts for.

I've got a couple pistol caliber carbines.

I've been machining my own AR-15's and have 3 done.

I am interested in 300 Blackout but I shot one(god it hurt- I have a drain in my gut) and it did not perform significantly different from an AK round and I do not like AK's or the AK round.

I try to standardize on calibers, I'm wondering if someone can recommend a caliber that might be more powerful, readily available- ie buy at Wally World- and is in between 7.62 and 5.56 in power. I'd like to buy an upper from a cheap joint like Palmetto and go from there. Or something used off ARFCOM

I'd use it with a PVS-2 to kill varmints and coydogs and red wolves at night.

I only like the plastic fantastic because it is light and low recoil and easy to attach my night scopes to.

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Old March 6th, 2017, 04:13 PM   #2
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I have 5 M1A's- 3 complete, 2 still needing parts for.

I've got a couple pistol caliber carbines.

I've been machining my own AR-15's and have 3 done.

I am interested in 300 Blackout but I shot one(god it hurt- I have a drain in my gut) and it did not perform significantly different from an AK round and I do not like AK's or the AK round.

I try to standardize on calibers, I'm wondering if someone can recommend a caliber that might be more powerful, readily available- ie buy at Wally World- and is in between 7.62 and 5.56 in power. I'd like to buy an upper from a cheap joint like Palmetto and go from there. Or something used off ARFCOM

I'd use it with a PVS-2 to kill varmints and coydogs and red wolves at night.

I only like the plastic fantastic because it is light and low recoil and easy to attach my night scopes to.
I am an avid predator hunter....night especially (BTW...hate the term coydog, silly, and proven yotes don't mate with regular dogs). I'm also an avid varmint hunter. Been looking at the 300BLK....but not in AR platform (looking at Ruger American Ranch)....and will be specifically for the subsonic capability. I mainly want it for use with a suppressor.....for deer off the deck (legal....not at night....God the monster deer you see at night pred hunting). I'm sure I would take a yote or two with it.....but that's not really what the 300BLK is intended to do. I have enough 204's, 223, 243 for yotes......and 17HH for fox...all the above for varmints...ground grizz are already popping up.

So yes a 300BLK is well worth having to me........but mainly to drop deer off my deck quietly....; )

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Old March 6th, 2017, 04:14 PM   #3
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You want 300 mainly to suppress. And have the flex to not suppress.


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I have 5 M1A's- 3 complete, 2 still needing parts for.

I've got a couple pistol caliber carbines.

I've been machining my own AR-15's and have 3 done.

I am interested in 300 Blackout but I shot one(god it hurt- I have a drain in my gut) and it did not perform significantly different from an AK round and I do not like AK's or the AK round.

I try to standardize on calibers, I'm wondering if someone can recommend a caliber that might be more powerful, readily available- ie buy at Wally World- and is in between 7.62 and 5.56 in power. I'd like to buy an upper from a cheap joint like Palmetto and go from there. Or something used off ARFCOM

I'd use it with a PVS-2 to kill varmints and coydogs and red wolves at night.

I only like the plastic fantastic because it is light and low recoil and easy to attach my night scopes to.

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Old March 6th, 2017, 04:19 PM   #4
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I excerpted this from an Ammoland writeup:

The 6.8 Remington SPC is based on a .30 Remington cartridge case, but fires, you guessed it, a 7.035 mm projectile. If you don’t recognize 7.035 caliber, that’s just the metric measurement of the popular .270 which is actually .277 inches diameter. See, there's that goofy tendency to name cartridges something different from their actual diameter again. Just like a .38 Special being .357 caliber.

In simple terms, think of the 6.8 Remington SPC as a .270 Winchester with a smaller cartridge case and less powder capacity that can be fired in an AR type rifle with correct barrel and bolt.

The interesting thing about 6.8 Remington SPC is the terminal performance down range. With about 200 feet per second more velocity than that famous AK-47 round, it has reach out and touch someone performance out to about 500 yards.

The cartridge case is based on the .30 Remington, which explains the need for a bolt swap when converting a standard AR rifle. Similar to development of 300 Blackout from .223 Remington cases, the 6.8 takes a shortened .30 Remington case and necks it down for the .277 inch bullet.

The beauty of this caliber is increased diameter and bullet weight over .223 Remington, while maintaining big time velocity from an AR platform with its overall cartridge length limitations.
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My son and I are also looking the same way you are, . . . and have not done anything serious yet other than rule out the 300 blackout. We tried one of those, . . . and it just didn't impress either of us.

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Old March 6th, 2017, 04:23 PM   #5
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If you not going to suppress it I wouldn't waste my money. You would be better off with a 7.62x39 for ammo cost and it is a harder hitting round.
Just my 2 cents this round was meant to be suppressed. If ypu aren't worried noise the 5.56 will do anything a 300 blackout will do and will do it further as far as varmints are concerned. I have played with the 300 blackout, to me it's a week loaded 30-30 and I do mean weak!

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Old March 6th, 2017, 04:41 PM   #6
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I have experimented with .300 Whisper and with 6.8 in the AR 15 platform.
While the improvement in terminal ballistics IS significant over .223, only you can decide if / where / when, these increases are important for you.

Here in Canada we can not legally.hunt with an AR 15 or an AR 10, of any caliber.
And here, neither 6.8 nor .300 BLK FACTORY ammo is common or inexpensive. In fact, both of these cost as much or more than the easier to find .308 WIN.

Which is why, after my experiments with hopping up the AR 15 platform, I always seem to go back to an AR 10 in good ol .308 WIN. If you reload, you can use different bullet weights and lowder loads in .308 Win to duplicate and outperform both of the poodle shooter upgrade calibers, AND.also 7.62x39R.
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I have experimented with .300 Whisper and with 6.8 in the AR 15 platform.
While the improvement in terminal ballistics IS significant over .223, only you can decide if / where / when, these increases are important for you.

Here in Canada we can not legally.hunt with an AR 15 or an AR 10, of any caliber.
And here, neither 6.8 nor .300 BLK FACTORY ammo is common or inexpensive. In fact, both of these cost as much or more than the easier to find .308 WIN.

Which is why, after my experiments with hopping up the AR 15 platform, I always seem to go back to an AR 10 in good ol .308 WIN. If you reload, you can use different bullet weights and lowder loads in .308 Win to duplicate and outperform both of the poodle shooter upgrade calibers, AND.also 7.62x39R.
BTDT
prefer an AR 10 in .308 Win for maximum versatility.

I hated my AR-10T. I traded it for a dozer. I kept an AR-10 carbine. I like it because I keep a AEG Telefunken with a daylight filter on it. At 5x I can hit anything I like.

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Are you keeping pelts?.......you can get/build 243 uppers....58gr varmint bullets up to 100gr big game bullets and all sorts of poop in between.

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Old March 6th, 2017, 05:26 PM   #9
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300 Blackout is a FUN caliber. You can load it with basically any 30 caliber bullet you want. You can load it hot or you can load it soft. Subsonic or supersonic. You can buy all the equipment to make your own brass for a little over a hundred bucks. And can load plinking ammo for under $0.30 a round and good quality ammo for $0.50 to $0.55 a round. I have both a Ruger American Ranch Rifle and two AR's built from the ground up. I would definitely choose this over an AK despite the fact that AK ammo is slightly cheaper. 300 BLK is readily available at Walmart. As soon as my local gun shop gets one in I will be picking one up in a mini 14 platform as well!

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Old March 6th, 2017, 05:27 PM   #10
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I like mine. Very lightweight and light recoil. Noveske 14.5.


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Old March 6th, 2017, 05:30 PM   #11
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I'm a fan of the 204 it's fast,flat and does the job on varmints. Can easily be built into and ar upper. Mine is a bolt gun. Recoils is like rimfire trajectory pretty close to. 22-250 without the report or recoil. But as a deer rifle it's illegal in GA. I use it for varmints and busting milk jugs at long distance, only bad thing is that light bullet does not buck the wind at all past 300 yards. I still want a 7.62x39 in a CZ 527 carbine, I have read nothing but good about them. Even with cheap ass steel case ammo still a good shooter. Short light and practical. A 300 blackout has it's place no doubt about it, but coyotes aren't it's strong point IMO.

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Take a hard look at the 6.5 Grendel and the 6.5 Creedmoor. The Grendel fits on an AR15 lower and the Creedmore on a AR10 lower. Both are good performers, especially the Creedmore.

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Take a hard look at the 6.5 Grendel and the 6.5 Creedmoor. The Grendel fits on an AR15 lower and the Creedmore on a AR10 lower. Both are good performers, especially the Creedmore.

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/...or-cartridges/
These are also great choices. The 7mm08 is a caliber that isn't talked about much anymore but is very capable cartridge. Also will work on the ar10 platform. As well as the 260 rem. I wonder if anyone has ever set up an Ar 10 in 257 Roberts that would be different and very cool.

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For practical applications there are too many other cals to fit the bill, but Blackout is meant to be suppressed, on an 8-8.5" barrel, a pistol or SBR. If you're not going to do either of those things PLUS hand load your own rounds, I'd suggest you stay away from it.

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Old March 6th, 2017, 06:01 PM   #15
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For practical applications there are too many other cals to fit the bill, but Blackout is meant to be suppressed, on an 8-8.5" barrel, a pistol or SBR. If you're not going to do either of those things PLUS hand load your own rounds, I'd suggest you stay away from it.
This was my original points thanks for clearing it up in a proper fashion.

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