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Old March 6th, 2017, 07:23 PM   #16
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Another fan of the 6.8 SPCII.

I've also built a .458 SOCOM AR and its a real killer. I hand load for both. Just loaded a few hundred rounds of .458 SOCOM with the Hornady 325 grain FTX bullet and Lil Gun powder. Very effective on pigs. Ballistically about like the .45-70 in an AR.

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Old March 6th, 2017, 07:50 PM   #17
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I like the 300 BO. Its can be fired in a light weight configuration, uses common AR mags, same bolt as an AR15 .223/5.56, brass is cheap and common. It is an excellent round suppressed, and with super sonic rounds is a good hog/deer gun out to 300 ish yards. It can do all this out of an 8 inch barrel. Its a good, fun compact package that can be loaded with just about any .308 bullet. I like the 125 TNT, 208 AMAX, and 110 TACTX.

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Old March 6th, 2017, 08:28 PM   #18
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Another vote for the 6.8. Have 3 ARs in 6.8 as well as a bolt rifle. Great deer gun as far as I would try to shoot a deer (~300 yards). My favorite deer loads are the 95 Barnes TTSX and the 100 Accubond, both around 2900+ fps.

I do not shoot suppress but many do with the 6.8.

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Old March 7th, 2017, 03:35 AM   #19
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I'm a fan of the 204 it's fast,flat and does the job on varmints. Can easily be built into and ar upper. Mine is a bolt gun. Recoils is like rimfire trajectory pretty close to. 22-250 without the report or recoil. But as a deer rifle it's illegal in GA. I use it for varmints and busting milk jugs at long distance, only bad thing is that light bullet does not buck the wind at all past 300 yards. I still want a 7.62x39 in a CZ 527 carbine, I have read nothing but good about them. Even with cheap ass steel case ammo still a good shooter. Short light and practical. A 300 blackout has it's place no doubt about it, but coyotes aren't it's strong point IMO.
204 is my main pred rifle, with reduced 40gr hand loads. For varmints I have a heavy barrel and shoot 32gr as fast as I can get them. Kills on ground grizz out to 500is.....but it loses a lot of poop by then. Perfect for about 350-400 max which is about the longest we find anyway on the farms I hunt.

300BLK is a great round for calling yotes......just not too friendly on pelts. Several guys use them if eradication is the purpose. But then, if you aren't worried about pelts you can use anything you want.

300BLK is gaining popularity in pred hunting....but it sure would be hell on a fox pelt....; )

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Old March 7th, 2017, 05:29 AM   #20
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Firearms are tools I very much enjoy working with. But I don't buy something just because it is trendy & stylish unless it puts some useful characteristic on my plate. I do a lot of animal control during the day & at night. What I needed was a suppressed AR15/M16 upper that I could take anything up to hogs without the neighbors calling the game warden to report me as a poacher. For many years, I used subsonic .22 RF in an AR15/M16. But .22RF has no great stopping ability unless you make a head shot. I used suppressed subsonic 300BLK loads last spring to take 90 varmints/predators/hogs during the spring turkey season without pressuring the turkey flocks into flying across the river where I can not hunt them. After I tagged out on turkeys, I started using suppressed supers. If you are not limited to subsonic loads, the supersonic loads are very effective and do quite well out to 200yds. and beyond as long as you can correctly set the bullet drop. I took the nice whitetail below during the peak of the rut at 175yds. with a supersonic 300BLK load fired from a 16" RARR as it was chasing (2) little maiden does. If you are not concerned with noise, give the 6.8MM a hard look. I did but went with the 300BLK because it was the better tool for my applications. Your requirements may be altogether different. HTH






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Old March 7th, 2017, 05:53 AM   #21
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Great information on the practical application of using the right tool for the job at hand. What suppressor do you typically use?

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Old March 7th, 2017, 06:01 AM   #22
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I have an old AAC 762-SD can set up to work on the RARR, AR15/M16/M4, or M14. President Trump has a good chance at getting suppressors reclassified as Title 1 weapons IMO. Hopefully, he can accomplish that for us.


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Old March 7th, 2017, 06:19 AM   #23
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.300 BLK has roughly the same ballistics as the ever venerable 7.62x39 round. It is not intended for long distances. The base cartridge is derived from a necked up 5.56 case and is pretty much just a .300 Whisper round. Advantage is all you'd have to do is swap out your barrel on an AR platform as the bolt and mags are 100 percent compatible.

Why do it? Because a .300 BLK round will perform out to at least 300 yards in at least an 8.5" barrel, whereas the 5.56 will not (you'll need at the very minimum a 10.5" to 12.5" to get the same results), a small package with really good performance. Another advantage is you can use any .30 caliber can for suppression, not so much with the x39 round.

Disadvantage? Ammo is expensive and not readily available in bulk. If you reload, this isn't a problem.

As far as suppression goes...it's really, REALLY quite, but you turn your 300 yard option into essentially a .45 acp (as far as ballistics goes).

Excellent round for an AR pistol; something small that can be placed in a bag and none would be the wiser.
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Old March 7th, 2017, 11:49 AM   #24
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Coydogs may not be in semi-urban and urban areas, but I have necropsy papers from Auburn that says otherwise for Western NC.

And red wolves mate with dogs locally too.


I don't keep pelts. Other than 4 animals I have had necropsy done on- coydog, red wolf hybrid, red wolf, and a fisher- I practice the 3's.

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204 is my main pred rifle, with reduced 40gr hand loads. For varmints I have a heavy barrel and shoot 32gr as fast as I can get them. Kills on ground grizz out to 500is.....but it loses a lot of poop by then. Perfect for about 350-400 max which is about the longest we find anyway on the farms I hunt.

300BLK is a great round for calling yotes......just not too friendly on pelts. Several guys use them if eradication is the purpose. But then, if you aren't worried about pelts you can use anything you want.

300BLK is gaining popularity in pred hunting....but it sure would be hell on a fox pelt....; )
I use my 204 for what ever predator is near my goats or chickens. Most of the time it's propped up behind my front door or on the back seat of my truck. I do take it deer hunting just for coyotes and such because to me they aren't worth wasting a $2-3 300wsm round. Have you ever loaded any of the Berger flat base 40gr bullets for your 204? I bought some from HSM and they shot great. I don't see them for sale anymore only the 35gr. These where factory loads.

As for the OP if you want a 300 bulk by all means build one, only you know what your needs are. I will say that will a can and subsonic loads it is quite, distance challenged but very quite.

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Old March 7th, 2017, 01:07 PM   #26
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My 7.62 x 39 AR does all I want it to.

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Old March 7th, 2017, 01:09 PM   #27
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My 7.62 x 39 AR does all I want it to.
And like I said earlier it's a cheap date at the range!

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Old March 7th, 2017, 01:11 PM   #28
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Take a hard look at the 6.5 Grendel and the 6.5 Creedmoor. The Grendel fits on an AR15 lower and the Creedmore on a AR10 lower. Both are good performers, especially the Creedmore.

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Can second the Grendel recommendation. It is VERY accurate and flat shooting. I have a 24" barreled upper that just loves the Hornady AMAX round.

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I use my 204 for what ever predator is near my goats or chickens. Most of the time it's propped up behind my front door or on the back seat of my truck. I do take it deer hunting just for coyotes and such because to me they aren't worth wasting a $2-3 300wsm round. Have you ever loaded any of the Berger flat base 40gr bullets for your 204? I bought some from HSM and they shot great. I don't see them for sale anymore only the 35gr. These where factory loads.

As for the OP if you want a 300 bulk by all means build one, only you know what your needs are. I will say that will a can and subsonic loads it is quite, distance challenged but very quite.
The 40 grains are Vmax.....slowed down enough to dump a yote but not blow up a fox. It's only 1.5 MOA at 100.....but that's all you need for called in predators at night. I also have some 45gr SP loaded....about the same at 100, have not used them on anything yet. I have some 39 SBK's loaded that are fantastic....can dump 5 through a little ragged hole but blow the crap out of pelts. Good for ground grizz in the Ruger Amer Pred when I take it but suck out of the Heavy Savage 12....32 Vmax and BT shoot best from her.

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You would be better off with a 7.62x39 for ammo cost and it is a harder hitting round.
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I have played with the 300 blackout, to me it's a week loaded 30-30 and I do mean weak!
Not to argue, but just to correct for the OP who asked the question... this is simply not true. 300 Blk is essentially identical to .30-30 Win, and the same or slightly hotter than 7.62x39mm.

Keep in mind if you comparing numbers off the box, or a website, the SAAMI standard test barrel for 300 Blk is 16", for 7.62x39mm it's 20", and .30-30 is 24". If you shoot all 3 from a 16" barrel they will be identical. In fact, .300 Blk will outperform any .30-30 beyond 100 yards because .30-30 is usually limited to flat point bullets for tubular magazines where 300 Blk can use modern tipped bullets with much higher BC.

Here are the industry standards from SAAMI:
.30-30 Win 125gr 2550 fps (24" barrel)
7.62x39 123 gr 2350 fps (20" barrel)
300 Blk 123 gr 2280 fps (16" barrel)

It would be impossible to count how many millions of deer have been taken with .30-30 Win, and to me having identical performance in an AR carbine in 300 Blk is a good idea. If you are talking about bolt action rifles though, the 300 Blk doesn't do anything special that many other cartridges can't do.

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