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Old August 13th, 2013, 09:00 PM   #1
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Best AR in 308/7.62 mm?

I have been bitten by the large caliber AR bug, possibly a symptom of my BRD. I would like to know what you guys think about what is available on the market. I am looking for something for use inside 200 yards with a reflex type sight and back up irons. I have looked at the sig 716, CMMG units,and stuff from DPMS. I also think the M&P unit could have promise. I'm quite sure I want it to use P mags, And would be okay with an 18 inch or 16 inch barrel. Looking for thoughts from you guys, I will have to do some trades or sell something to fund the purchase. So I do not want to jump in without doing the research. Thanks

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Old August 13th, 2013, 09:56 PM   #2
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I like my LWRC REPR but if you are not looking for long range the price tag may not be worth it. I would stay away from the Remington and Bushmaster offerings though. RRA may be worth looking at.

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Old August 13th, 2013, 11:43 PM   #3
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The 'Best' is a matter of opinion. Since I have one of the LaRue guns in 7.62, I tend to think it's best, but there are several good guns out there - GAP, for instance. I'm drawing a blank on the other 2-3 front-runners right now - one is by a company whose founder just died a few weeks ago.... (getting old is hell on the memory).

Frankly, I wouldn't suggest a LaRue OBR right now for 2 reasons - the cost and the delays in production. I've had an OBR variant on order for over a year now. They used to get their barrels from Lomar/Walther but then they switched over to making their own and it's taken a lot longer than they anticipated.

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Old August 14th, 2013, 03:43 AM   #4
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Armalite or RRA would be my choices.

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Old August 14th, 2013, 03:46 AM   #5
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I am very satisfied with my LMT MWS, 16" CL barrel. The lower is very similar to a SR-25 (Magpul compatible) with their monolithic rail platform (MRP) upper. However, if you are concerned about weight, it is heavier than your typical AR10. Especially when you all done with furniture and optic.

It out shoots me every time and I have the standard 16 CL barrel.

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Old August 14th, 2013, 04:58 AM   #6
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Knights SR 25 is considered, by many, to be the best you can buy, but at that price you're paying a lot for the name. You should build it yourself so that you can configure it exactly the way that best suits your intended application. It's no harder than putting together a small platform AR.

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Old August 14th, 2013, 05:49 AM   #7
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+ 1 for Larue. Also, if you are only shooting it inside of 200 yards take a look at 300 blackout (7.62 x 35mm). The ammo was very hard to find for a while, but it is starting to become available. The only thing you have to modify on a normal Ar is the barrel. You can use the same mags and BCG.


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Old August 14th, 2013, 06:04 AM   #8
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7.62 x what? 51 or 39

I have been shooting 7.62x39 in an AR for a while now. No problems. Ammo is plentiful and cheap both absolutely and relative to the 7.62x51. The rifle parts are cheap and plentiful, except for the magazines which are $20-25 each for the good ones.

When 5.56 ammo was $750/1000 (not that long ago) and scarce, you could still find 7.62x39 for less than half that. 7.62x51 was $1000 if you could find it.

Depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

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More than that, it depends on how much you want to spend. The GAP-10 and LaRue OBR are easily the top 2. Do a youtube search on the GAP-10 if you haven't seen it perform.

Both deliver incredible accuracy for gas-operated guns, and they are a cut well above any of the regular name brands. Rock River, LMT, Armalite etc are all quality rifles, but they aren't going to come with the initial quality of a GAP or LaRue. They are about half the price though, and you can get them off the shelf. Wait time for a GAP-10 is 8-10 months and LaRue is around a year.

Those rifles are in high demand for good reason.

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+ 1 for Larue. Also, if you are only shooting it inside of 200 yards take a look at 300 blackout (7.62 x 35mm). The ammo was very hard to find for a while, but it is starting to become available. The only thing you have to modify on a normal Ar is the barrel. You can use the same mags and BCG.

I am working on this project as well, just waiting on my friend to finish making some more brass.

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7.62 x what? 51 or 39

I have been shooting 7.62x39 in an AR for a while now. No problems. Ammo is plentiful and cheap both absolutely and relative to the 7.62x51. The rifle parts are cheap and plentiful, except for the magazines which are $20-25 each for the good ones.

When 5.56 ammo was $750/1000 (not that long ago) and scarce, you could still find 7.62x39 for less than half that. 7.62x51 was $1000 if you could find it.

Depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

7.62mm generally means the same as 7.62x51 or 7.62 NATO. 7.62x39 is OK for an AK, But does not usually work well in a straight magazine. Cost is not important to me as I reload all of my own ammunition.

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Larue OBR 20" barrel is an excellent sniper rifle.

I have one, with a Valdada 3x18 Scope and it is as good as it gets in AR pattern 7.62 NATO rifles. YMMV.

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I would buy an LMT MWS, GAP10, also partial to POF but don't like pistons.

On a budget I'd go DPMS, people trash talk them but my DPMS SASS was so accurate it felt like cheating.

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I have owned and rebuilt/serviced for resale about three dozen of the old Original Dutch built full auto military GI GENUINE ORIGINAL AR 10 rifles. IMHO, none of the modern AR 10/AR 15 HYBRID clone wannabes, NO MATTER HOW EXPENSIVE, come close to Stoner's original AR 10 design. If only some one built a modern version of the true STONER AR 10 ... then it would be "THE BEST".

THE MUCH HEAVIER BOLT CARRIER AND BUFFER TUBE of the Genuine AR 10 rifles makes a big difference in how they recoil, and how reliable they will be. Substituting AR 15 parts into a 7.62 NATO AR 10 design was NOT done to make things better, merely to save money by economy of scale by using some of the millions of already existing AR 15 parts.

That being said,
so called "best choice" now becomes "BEST VALUE" or "BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK". After considerable frustration waiting for decades for a modern version of the GENUINE AR 10, I finally compromised and bought THREE of the DPMS built Remington R25/AR 10 rifles. At the time they were the least expensive choice available, and basically the only AR 10 widely marketed in Canada.


Rem R25 along side a Blackfeather stocked shorty M14.
Both have 20" barrels.




I have no major regrets about buying the Remingtons, however some minor issues to consider:

1.] The trigger pulls in all three of my R25 rifles were absolutely the worst AR type triggers I have ever used. And I have owned and shot dozens of AR type rifles, so that is saying a lot. These horrible triggers were also crippled with a lighter than usual hammer spring, which caused light primer indentation and mis-fires with some 7.62 NATO surplus Ball ammo. I installed a JARD [ set to 2.5 lbs ] and an Armalite MATCH [ set to 4 lbs ] in two of my R25s. The third one got a simple AR trigger job with the original parts [ 4.5 lbs] and that worked out quite nicely. NOTE: The very nice RRA MATCH AR 15 triggers did NOT fit in any of my R25s. Otherwise, these are my favorite INEXPENSIVE AR trigger.
2.] The Pmag plastic mags are much better than the metal mags that came with the R25. With the Pmags I have had zero feed problems ... from 110 gr Varmint loads up to 200 GR SOP hunting ammo.

3.] If you are a camo type of guy, you might actually like the painted on REALTREE finish of the R25. Unfortunately, this paint is quite soft, chips easily, and aesthetically is so FUGLY that it could give a color blind dog hissy fits. I cared mostly because I almost always use QUICK RELEASE rings, which chips the paint on the picatinny receiver rail. Not good for consistent connection of a scope. So on my last R25, I went to the trouble of stripping the Camo paint off of the receiver, and found regular BLACK ANODISING under neath.


4.] The R25s had two different receiver rail heights. Not that it matters much if you are not swapping out the hand guards, but something to check before ordering a new replacement HG.

5. With a free floated H/G and a fluted 20" barrel, all three of my R25s shot very, Very, VERY well indeed. My second one, with the JARD 2.5 lb trigger and a Bushnell 5X15 scope, went to the range one day with seven different types of FACTORY loaded .308 ammo, and two types of 7.62 NATO ammo. Five of these .308 Win factory loads, including 110 gr, 125 gr, 168 gr, and 200 gr loads, shot into 1" or less [five shot groups at 100 yds]. The 150 gr soft points and the 7.62 NATO Ball ammo did not do so well ... which surprised me because the original AR 10 rifles I shot were very accurate with 7.62 NATO Ball. That second R25 rifle ended up with a SWAT trained sniper, who could actually appreciate such an ACCURATE and PRECISE boom stick.

6. As another poster has already pointed out, if you are just shooting out to 200 yds, then .308 WIN/7.62 NATO might be a bit of overkill. AND A SHORTER / LIGHTER CARBINE WITH A LIGHTER CARTRIDGE MIGHT BE A BETTER FIT. I have built two AR 15 rifles in .300 Whisper, and now that .300 BLK is becoming more commonly available, I would think hard about an AR15 in this caliber. Or even more sensible, I would consider a CZ58 in 7.62 X 39 Russian.


I still have one R25 left, but will probably sell it soon. I don't really need .308 Win in the heavy brush/Tropical rain forest terrain where I live, unless it would be for use as a BUG OUT BOAT gun, for keeping pirates well away from my 27' Cabin Cruiser. On land, the CZ 58 in 7.62 X 39, with a side folder and a red dot, is better suited to the short range scenarios I fore see. On foot, on a bicycle or motorcycle, or as a compact vehicle carbine, it simply makes the most sense.

Of course,
the opinions expressed here are based on my PERSONAL experience and priorities.
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I am working on this project as well, just waiting on my friend to finish making some more brass.
I would go with a larue then. Have you thought about a scar17? I just picked one up, and its a blast to shoot.

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