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Old May 21st, 2013, 02:18 PM   #16
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Old May 21st, 2013, 02:33 PM   #17
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OK...

I've read the whole thread.

I still don't get it. You're making a huge assumption regarding a hypothetical intended purpose of an otherwise benign object.

Anybody with a modicum of machining ability can make one of these.

I seriously doubt the Barf-boys will have this o their radar.

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Old May 21st, 2013, 02:33 PM   #18
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cavman this post is not about the oil can suppressor (a legal nfa item) the video was posted for those that did not know what the legal item is. If you follow the amazon link you can see what we are discussing.

this thread is about amazon selling adapters illegally as "solvent catcher adapters"

this is not a repost!


did u even read the thread?
Actually, I read ALL The Threads, Plural!



My Point is...it doesn't matter whether it's a Pepsi Bottle, a roll of TP, an Oil Can Filter Suppressor Adapter, or just a 'NEW!' Adapter 'cleverly' called something else...
It's an NFA CLASS III Suppressor in the eyes of the BATFE!

And...An Oil Can Suppressor is only 'a legal nfa item' if obtained with a BATFE $200 Tax Stamp!
Seriously...Who is going to do that?



As you stated..."they are basically the same thing as the well known nfa item, the oil filter suppressor adapter."

My view is that prior discussions on the exact same subject, or on closely related subjects...often contain comments and observations of value which are not going to be re-posted each time the subject is revived!

And...for those folks who might just be 'googling' AR-15's and stumble over this thread, yeah...there is a danger that without even basic knowledge of the 'National Firearms Act' of 1934...they could in fact be enticed to buy or make in their home garage/workshop an item that is clearly Contraband and could subject them to federal prosecution and potential incarceration!

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/index.html

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Old May 21st, 2013, 03:21 PM   #19
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i was under the impression that the manufacturer had some responsibility here.

as for making assumptions, thats indeed a valid point.

the reviews are what even turned me on to thinking there was chicanery afoot.

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Old May 21st, 2013, 03:27 PM   #20
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Old May 21st, 2013, 03:30 PM   #21
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i was under the impression that the manufacturer had some responsibility here.

as for making assumptions, thats indeed a valid point.

the reviews are what even turned me on to thinking there was chicanery afoot.
Just look through an edition of 'Shotgun News' at all the Questionable Items being sold...
It sure seems to me that many vendors operate under some form of 'Don't Ask/Don't Tell' Mentality!
Sometimes with carefully crafted disclaimers, and some with just a line about...'We are not responsible for any end use by the customer...'
I agree with you that the whole claim that those adapters are to 'catch and filter solvents' is pretty hokey, and likely not going to impress the BATFE!

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Old May 31st, 2013, 10:59 AM   #22
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Speaking to a Class III dealer buddy of mine he says the BATF has classified the adapter as a NFA item and needs to be aquired via the Form 4 and the $200 tax. I'm sure the manufacturer of the adapter has been "approached" by the "nice" men from the governement to make sure he's playing nice. One bad thing about Youtube the Feds watch it too!!

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Old May 31st, 2013, 10:05 PM   #23
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I know this guy that ordered one. Recycles all his oil. Very green. He lives next door to a guy that has a corvette that'll go 200+MPH but he never drives over the limit.

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I know this guy that ordered one. Recycles all his oil. Very green. He lives next door to a guy that has a corvette that'll go 200+MPH but he never drives over the limit.
sounds like a couple of stand up guys.

thats what i really found was interestng, catching all your solvents that normally are wasted is a darn good idea.

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Old June 1st, 2013, 04:53 AM   #25
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So what is wrong with selling NFA parts on Ebay? I have sold some factory Remington 870 14" barrels on Ebay and they go through the roof on price. I haven't had one of these auctions kicked off ever and I always get the "internet cop" trying to tell me what I am doing is illegal. My response is always the same "If what I am doing is illegal, why don't you call the BATFE, notify Ebay, and tell your mom? Or go read the BATFE rules and leave me alone." Just like Shotgun News selling the parts and telling the customer it is their responsibility to take care of the proper channels, I would view these "adapters" in the same light.

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Who has solvents coming out of the barrel of thier rifle?

And if youve never looked down an oil filter many have a spring, steel plate, or possibky a magnet.......i wouldnt want to shoot into that only inches from the muzzle myself

Ohh and shoooter just taped a weed filled plaskic coke bottle to his .22

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Old June 1st, 2013, 06:55 AM   #27
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The adapter is not a legality. It is just a piece of metal. Even putting it on a firearm should not warrant an arrest. If that was the case, then people with threaded barrels would have rules and laws to abide by as to what protective ring could be attached.
Now, having the rifle, ring and oilcan in your safe is a big no no. Or in you trunk.
Would I own this? Sure I guess. Will I? Nah.

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Old June 17th, 2013, 12:10 PM   #28
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Neither the feds, nor the jury, are idiots.

Claiming that you were just using it to catch solvents is not likely to fool anyone, and if I recall, it's a $500,000 fine and/or 5 years if you get it wrong .... and that just to save $200 on the tax stamp. Smart, real smart.
Is this a one time only or a yearly payment. Packing

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Is this a one time only or a yearly payment. Packing

NFA Tax Stamps are a One-Time, NOT Yearly Fee to BATFE.

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