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Xsproducts

Here it is the new Xs-Products X-15 coil magazine, it will be long enough to fit the 416 unlike the surefire mag. 50 rounds of .223 goodness in a package that is shorter than a 30 rounder and about 5 inches shorter than a surfire quad stack magazine. Built entirely of billet 7075 alumium, aint much going to stop this little magazine from operating. Looking for delivery sometime in the second quarter of 2012 www.xs-products.com

Xsproducts

It's not heavy and it is ergonomic, it's about the size of a dollar bill:

Big Gulp

I was wondering when the AR would get a nut sack!!!:D

@ $189.00 I would rather buy 11 Pmags, or 500 rounds The last thing I want to do is add more weight to my rifle with a high cap mag... it would suck to carry around too.
That is coming from a LE/Military perspective. If you are a bench rest-range shooter it wouldn't matter.

ArmyCPT

I'm assuming that your company put this together in response to the IAR?

Good luck on your venture. Looks like SureFire's getting kudos on their mag, too.

Albud3

Amen!!! This is another product that will appeal mainly to "wannabe chairborne rangers" who do 99.99% of their shooting at an improvised range, gravel pit or back yard from the hip and pulling the trigger as fast as they can. It's the latest "tacti-kool, high-drag, low-speed" magazine that knowledgeable LE/Mil/civie shooters wouldn't look at twice. Maybe if you were using a FA as a SAW it might be useful as the 90-100 round 'Beta-mags' are notoriously unreliable, but only if this one was shown to be as reliable as 30 rounders. Same as the SureFires, too little gain for too much money.

ArmyCPT

^ Sorry, disagree.

Being able to put down effective and sustained fire without compromising the given attributes of the weapon system (i.e., overly exceeding standard weight and dimensions) isn't necessarily a bad thing. Quite the contrary, actually. IF the thing works, that is.

The mag the OP is selling might possibly work well in the IAR. Or, for that matter, in a weapon that hardly ever works well with a magazine in place - a M249.

Not to hijack the thread, but here's a link to some comments from Larry Vickers about the Surefire mag:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=84984

CAVman

No doubt there are a bunch of 'wannabe chairborne rangers' out there...
But there is also 'millions' of folks out there that just like to have fun shooting, and like the newest and coolest toys to do it with!
And personally I welcome the huge number of innovations being marketed by both large and small companies...
Even individuals here on the Forum are inventing, machining and marketing their own products!
And one product leads to another, and innovations breed improvements...a never-ending process...
Without this kind of dynamic...the only M1A's would be in the same stocks they were in back in 1957!
Obviously we don't all shoot the same guns the same way in the same locales, there's plenty of variations out there.
I think we are now living in a golden age of firearm innovations with equipment, accessories and especially ammo available today that was not even dreamed of 20 years ago!
Let the free-market and the 'tastes' of the public decide what suceeds and doesn't...
I personally commend Xs-Products for pushing the envelope.
Obviously not all their products will be big winners...but the only way to find out is to offer them to the shooting world and find out!

CAVman in WYoming

USMC6094

From the LEO side, in my M4 I carry a PMAG 20 in the rifle as a start and then 4 GI 30 rounders in an incident kit bag I put together, I think I could live with one of those in the rifle, and one in the bag with a 30 round spare. But as my departments SOP states, 30 round mags are the highest I can go for work. But I might get one just to have, whats life without variety.

@ Albud3, I had a BetaMag for years and ran the snot out of it, and it worked everytime. Sometimes I wish I hadnt sold it, only thing I didnnt like was how heavy it was loaded.

82nd ABN

I for one think it neat and I am no "chairborn ranger". Its innovative to say the least!

Albud3

Wow! I seem to have touched a few nerves with my post regarding the Xs-Products magazine. Y’all brought up some good points, but I still stand by my original post.

ArmyCPT. A good point regarding using the mag in the –249 SAW, but I doubt the army’ll ever test it. It’s been over 20 years since I’ve had anything to do with the –249, but I seem to remember that its main problem with –16 mags was due to the loose tolerances designed into the weapon’s mag well. A loaded mag ‘leans’ just enough to disrupt the feed geometry thereby resulting in the SAW’s notorious feeding problems. A 50 round mag would probably exacerbate the problem due to the extra weight resulting in more ‘lean’. Have you heard anything about the polymer mags’ performances in the –249? I’d like to see if they perform better than issue before testing the super hi-cap mags.

Another problem is that the SAW’s mag feed is a ‘SHTF’ fallback: out of belted ammo. If the squad’s other members aren’t using the X-15 as their ‘issued’ mag, they’re not going to carry it just in case the SAW runs out. No cost solution; issue more belted ammo to them. Unpopular because of the extra weight, but it works.

The main ‘killer’ problem is the cost! X-15 MSRP of $250! Surefire 60 of $129 and 100 of $179! No way the army will even look at either unless they come down to around the $50 retail range. The only other possible way they might consider it is if SpecOps does a ‘local buy’ and issues a “walks on water” evaluation on them. With the forecasted budget cuts a new high cost magazine system cannot be justified at present.

BTW, per your link regarding the Surefire note post #8. Mr. Morgan has some questions regarding the Surefire’s compatibility with the IAR. Maybe the X-15 as well? Only time and testing will tell.

CAVman. Agree with your assessment regarding innovation in the firearms market… bring it on with the more the merrier. My main problem with Xs and Surefire is the cost! Sorry, but I will not consider either mag unless or until they come down to around $40-50 retail. However, if someone were to lend me one to use I would gladly burn some ammo just for S&G of it!

USMC6094. You should have never sold that mag! Yes they’re great when they work, but like you I don’t like the extra weight, size and interferences of the super hi-caps.

jmoore

If there was a way to make the AR/M16 open bolt in "full" and closed bolt in "semi" mode, then I might be more interested.

The Johnson LMG did it. But the small cross pins and aluminum alloy lower on the M16 make the proposition difficult.

GARRARD

Albud3 makes a good point about price. A standard 30 round GI magazine costs the government a little over $8, roughly twice that on the regular market. I don't consider it economical to pay another $175-$180 to be able to have 20 more rounds.

Chilly

Maybe not everyone's cup of tea but lighten up. If someone brings a product to market we can read the post, decide whether it's for us, and either buy it or not. I see no reason to post reasons why we may or may not choose to purchase the product unless one is responding with first-hand experience with it. I'm glad to see that some companies are still willing to fill what may be narrow market niches. I hope they sell a million of them.

Xsproducts

It's definitely not everyone's cup of tee, but the interest is there, and we will produce them. We don't discriminate when it comes to clients.

TheTurtle

It will have its own market. There's a lot of the armchair operators, couch warriors, mall ninjas, and "chairborne rangers" out there. If they want it so what? If it's not economically friendly or practical to use it, then don't use it. It's obvious that the military won't look twice at it because they're happy with their 30 rounders. Leave more for the idiots that'll use it to swiss cheese a washer machine out in the bush.

There's no need to keep criticizing this company on this forum. I've been seeing members get pretty damn harsh too. If they get out of line with an offensive video or post, Mods will step in and delete it. Leave it at that.

If they like this forum and want to support it by offering a members special or sharing new products with us, why risk pissing them off and losing our friendship?

Quit the grudge.