M14 Forum

TheTinMan · January 15th, 2012, 08:19 AM

Hope it's OK to start separate threads for several basic questions.

Build: 16" mid-length gas barrel, primarily iron sights
Purpose: 1st AR build, theoretically SHTF but realistically 100 to 200 yard shooting

So what would be the benefit of a 2-stage trigger in this build?

Hunting rifles don't have them. "Stacking" is considered "bad" in a pistol. I fully understand the benefit of a 2-stage for a precision target rifle or prairie dog hunter. Shooting from a rest, it gives you the safety of a heavier trigger pull with a 2 or 2-1/2 lb. final pull for best accuracy.

Here's the single-stage trigger I'm thinking about, but I'm wide open to suggestions:
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=4...lbs-Solid-Shoe

USMC6094 · January 15th, 2012, 08:58 AM

I couldnt do the poll, I'm kinda partial to both so I'll explain

On a standard rifle (carbine included) I like a 2 stage and this depends on the manufacturer.
I also like single stage triggers especially Chip McCormicks drop in units.

I'm going to be experimenting with the Giessielle SSA for my M&P-15 Sport, from what I hear its great replacement for the stock trigger.

BLACKTAIL 8541 · January 15th, 2012, 09:04 AM

I use geisselle triggers in my ARs. 2 stage triggers in a fighting carbine or rifle has a long tradition. They are not touchy on the first stage and still provide a light enough trigger for precision shooting.

As to the trigger you linked to. I have heard good reports on them.

sgtcowboyusmc · January 19th, 2012, 08:13 AM

I am of the school that for a Military/SHTF rifle I want a 2 stage. If it were for a Competition gun I would use a single stage. Might be outdated but that is what I believe. I know you can get single stage triggers to have what ever pull you want on it but I still like having the 2 stage in Stress type environment!

hammonje · January 19th, 2012, 08:25 AM

I had a 2 stage in my shorty, but switched to a Spikes single stage trigger. Not very expenive and I really like it. Clean pull.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...ger&groupid=53

Mindfield · January 19th, 2012, 08:27 AM

I prefer 2 stage triggers on a 'work' gun

Essayons · January 19th, 2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BLACKTAIL 8541

I use geisselle triggers in my ARs. 2 stage triggers in a fighting carbine or rifle has a long tradition. They are not touchy on the first stage and still provide a light enough trigger for precision shooting.

As to the trigger you linked to. I have heard good reports on them.

+1 on Geissele Automatics. I also have an excellent singsl stage trigger from JP Rifles on one of my ARs, but I prefer the Geissele.

art7 · January 19th, 2012, 10:50 PM

X-Treme 2stage for me. Fully machined tool steel.

TheTinMan · January 20th, 2012, 08:45 PM

OK guys, this time I'm actually following your advice and will get a Geisselle SSA 2-stage trigger for this build.

If only I could find 2 people who pronounce that name the same way...

Seriously, I really appreciate your input.

perazziboy · January 20th, 2012, 10:15 PM

Spoke to them directly, it is "g-eyes-lee". I have two setups both at 4.5 lbs 2 stage....You will love it!

m1a_scoutguy · January 21st, 2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by perazziboy

Spoke to them directly, it is "g-eyes-lee". I have two setups both at 4.5 lbs 2 stage....You will love it!

I agree,,they are fantastic triggers,,they have everything from Milspec triggers (New,,coming out in about 3 weeks or so,,check,, http://adcofirearms.com/ ) to Super 3 Gun Triggers that are 2nd to none !! The New triggers are NOT Match triggers,,just a Quality Milspec trigger,,they are gonna be $45 bucks to $65 bucks with the Super slippery anti wear coating or something on the $65 dollar one !! Depending on your budget,,they mite be worth waiting for !! But I have had a SSA for years & thousands of rds,,,,great trigger for sure !!!!

John Crusher · January 22nd, 2012, 08:44 AM

I personally prefer a single stage on a carbine 'cuz I run a comp 4 and want fast followup shots and am more concerned with stopping the threat, not where I put the round. On my 20" support rifle it's a different story. 2 stage.

MistWolf · January 22nd, 2012, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheTinMan

OK guys, this time I'm actually following your advice and will get a Geisselle SSA 2-stage trigger for this build.

If only I could find 2 people who pronounce that name the same way...

Seriously, I really appreciate your input.

If you haven't bought the trigger yet, you may want to hold off for the release of the ALG Combat Trigger that the Geisselles are making. It's a standard AR trigger but with a better pull and break, making them suitable for working carbines. They are also significantly less than the SSA & SSA-E triggers

jmoore · January 23rd, 2012, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by John Crusher

I personally prefer a single stage on a carbine 'cuz I run a comp 4 and want fast followup shots and am more concerned with stopping the threat, not where I put the round. On my 20" support rifle it's a different story. 2 stage.

If you don't fully release the trigger between shots, the two stage acts like a single stage. So no speed benefit to a single stage!

It's kind of surprising how many folk treat a two stage trigger (including Glocks and most 1911s) like double action revolver triggers. They fully release the trigger even when attempting to run double taps and such. Perhaps Browning High Power influenced in a few cases, but...

M1A's r BEST · January 23rd, 2012, 02:40 AM

Man, nothing sucks quite as much as a "normal" AR15 trigger. A good one isn't too bad but most of them are a shock after shooting M1A's or M1 Garands.

I buy RRA double stage triggers for any AR's I'm really going to be shooting and want the best accuracy from.