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January 12th, 2012, 03:52 PM
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#46 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Northern KY
Posts: 1,251
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I had 1 rifle with a brake on it. Never again. You need double hearing protection for that junk. I would take a plain barrel over one with a brake anyday.
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January 12th, 2012, 08:24 PM
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#47 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: West Coast, CA
Posts: 17
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Originally Posted by markp  | It amazes me that people will push Chinese Weapons from here in the U.S. It appears the feminization of America is complete.
Tom
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January 27th, 2012, 12:48 AM
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#48 | | Snappin In
Join Date: May 2010 Location: New Zealand
Posts: 22
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Originally Posted by Later2u It amazes me that people will push Chinese Weapons from here in the U.S. It appears the feminization of America is complete.
Tom | No, it shows he read the question, is level headed and is able to offer unbias advice.
I have the M305, it is a very well made product that i am able to own for $400, I could go with option B the real McKoy, for a couple of extra thousands of dollars and then i can own a rifle of similar ability...... Im not in the USA and am limited by both what is exported from the states and what i am able to afford.
So when i can a obtain items from the states without mega restrictions and at a comparable price then i may be able to consider US made, Till then, looks like im getting Canadian made :)
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January 27th, 2012, 05:50 AM
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#49 | | Master Gunner
Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Ozarks
Posts: 887
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Until I joined this forum, I had associated the term Chinese junk with a type of boat.
We have a friend who travels on business to China frequently. When I asked him about the extent of capitalism in that country, his response was revealing. In Red China, whenever a business is organized, regardless of its size, the government becomes an automatic partner with a share of at least 30%. Taking this into consideration, whenever we purchase goods from that country, we are directly subsidizing a communist government. IMHO, that's just another good reason to buy American.
Semper Fi!
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January 27th, 2012, 12:38 PM
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#50 | | Snappin In
Join Date: May 2010 Location: New Zealand
Posts: 22
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Originally Posted by willriskit Until I joined this forum, I had associated the term Chinese junk with a type of boat.
We have a friend who travels on business to China frequently. When I asked him about the extent of capitalism in that country, his response was revealing. In Red China, whenever a business is organized, regardless of its size, the government becomes an automatic partner with a share of at least 30%. Taking this into consideration, whenever we purchase goods from that country, we are directly subsidizing a communist government. IMHO, that's just another good reason to buy American.
Semper Fi! | American made Springfield sold in NZ( that’s where i live in NEW ZEALAND, see globe, look at the bottom of the globe, look at Australia, look to the right that’s where i live) price range at local gun shop 3999 -4999, i picked up my M305 $400. I get 1.5 MOA from handloads at 100 meters open sights, yes I tidied the rifle up, but that wasn’t hard!
But seriously can’t some of you guys get it, its not that we are burning the US flag here or storing weapons of mass destruction down here! We are an allied country that has major restrictions placed on us when we try and purchase items from the US, let alone factoring in the price!
I am merely trying to get information regarding the best options for me to own a 5.56 M4 platform, I am after the best features and benefits that I am able to get, and at the moment its the NEA Canadian made rifle.
WHY.....because competitively priced, of a high quality and good value, AND i can get accessories via NEA! I don’t have to jump through as many hoops!
By way of examples, on my licence I am able to have an A-cat M4, An A-cat limits some aspects of the rifle, BUT here are prices for A-Cat variation in NZ Dollars NEA $1990, Norinco $2600, Bushmaster $5000. So again in my situation, when you take in the options available and restrictions, buying US made items just won’t happen.
right im off to reload my for my FTR 308 shoot today, what a spectrum, single shot out to 1000 yards, if only i could afford a nice Nightforce...... :)
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January 27th, 2012, 01:53 PM
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#51 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Florida
Posts: 494
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One thing China makes well, and it cannot be disputed is weapons. They arent always pretty, but they WORK. Even the US Government, when it bought AKs for the Iraqis, bought them from CHINA
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March 7th, 2012, 09:51 PM
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#52 | | Snappin In
Join Date: May 2010 Location: New Zealand
Posts: 22
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Well, here is a small update.
I didn’t get the NEA 14.5 carbine........Instead I got the NEA DMR version with 18inch barrel! All paid for including a Burris mount to allow for a slightly oversized scope front tat my spare scope mounts were not going to work with.
But with both trading up from the base version and adding parts to the purchase i was still cheaper than that of the Chinese made rifle, however that’s i feel an indictment on the way we have till now been catered to by retailers here in NZ, its nice to be treated fairly.
Another thing i feel that is good is that there is now a far greater selection of these rifles in versions and price ranges average people can afford. We will also see some compitition on add ons too, i hope as i have my eye on some parts to futher upgrade the beast!
But for now i am hunting down decent loads to develop in the rifle
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March 7th, 2012, 10:06 PM
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#53 | | Lifer
Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Texas
Posts: 2,313
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Originally Posted by markp While Bushmaster certainly is a name brand, they are a far stretch from the top of the heap in AR rifles. I would be interested to hear what "issues" they are having though, as many common AR "issues" can be solved pretty easily.
As far as the Chinese manufacturers go, the Chinese have proven that they can produce high quality aluminum and steel machined products, I have no doubt that they have the ability to produce VERY high quality firearms. Simply consider the Polytech M14S, the receivers and barrels are very good, even so, people will still knock them.
With that said, there seems to be some variation in quality... and that is where I think the problem with going with a weapon from China has. Unfortunately in the United States we cannot even get these Chinese weapons, they are banned from importation. However to simply dismiss weapons from China without actually evaluating them seems short sighted.
I understand why people would want to own US made AR series weapons, but that does not make the Chinese stuff crap.
If I were there, this is what I would purchase! http://www.guncity.co.nz/308-norinco...idp229671.html
You can't go wrong with this decision, this IS the right way to go.
Take the money you save and put it in a stock of your choosing (JAE G3) or I am sure that there is a thumbhole stock that would fit the Troy MCS stock.
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pretty sure it would be hard to get those stock in NZ eh?
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March 7th, 2012, 11:39 PM
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#54 | | Snappin In
Join Date: May 2010 Location: New Zealand
Posts: 22
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Im not 100% sure but i would imagine it would be, what a lot of retailers dont understand is how they market the product effects what we can import or get in , and it only really applies to NZ purchasers and our MSSA laws (Military Styles Semi Auto), but if it discribed as a Military pistol grip then its hard to get in, if its discribed as an ergonomic grip, its a whole heap easier! i would love to further trick out my M305, ive done a lot to its accuracy through reloading and cleaning up the finish of bearing surfaces etc, but bedding in a nice "ergonomic" set up would be nice :)
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April 1st, 2012, 04:39 PM
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#55 | | Snappin In
Join Date: May 2010 Location: New Zealand
Posts: 22
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I aquired some (300) hornady 60gr Vmax projectiles, after some testing come up with a load that gave consistant group as aposed to rounds touching and then a flyer off over an inch away!
that load was
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and man do i like my NEA DMR A LOT!!!!!!
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April 1st, 2012, 05:20 PM
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#56 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Winnipeg manitoba Canada
Posts: 17
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a norc m4 in Canada is worth about $600.
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April 1st, 2012, 05:34 PM
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#57 | | Snappin In
Join Date: May 2010 Location: New Zealand
Posts: 22
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Originally Posted by TRPOperator a norc m4 in Canada is worth about $600. | add another $2000 here in NZ!
Im really happy with the finish and feel of the rifle, its my first AR platformed rifle that ive owned, whilst ive used a fair few, this one is MINE!!!!!
im going to upgrade the trigger but thats about it really! Mind you i am new to all this who knows what toys may be considered!
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April 1st, 2012, 05:39 PM
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#58 | | Lifer
Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tampa
Posts: 3,293
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I'm glad to hear you're enjoying your rifle. That was some nice shooting by the way.
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April 1st, 2012, 09:39 PM
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#59 | | Snappin In
Join Date: May 2010 Location: New Zealand
Posts: 22
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Originally Posted by GARRARD I'm glad to hear you're enjoying your rifle. That was some nice shooting by the way. | Was off sandbags at 100 meters and after testing a few different loads, i will revist the loads once i have a better trigger. But thats now my basis for my hunting load.
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April 2nd, 2012, 12:25 AM
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#60 | | Lifer
Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Texas
Posts: 2,313
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kiwis rock
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