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Old April 15th, 2017, 07:12 AM   #61
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I need an early black McMillan stock and artel scope!!!!

I don't want to pay too much.

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Old April 15th, 2017, 08:29 AM   #62
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Most likely scope was the Leupold M3A Ultra 10x scope, although it has a 30mm tube and not a 1-inch tube. Its the same scope used in the M24 rifle circa 1988 until 2009 or so. Here's a picture from about 1992 with the Leupold scope I mentioned on an Army M25 sniper rifle:


Reportedly on the Navy M25 rifles the B&L scope was utlized as of the early 1990s:


Here's a Navy M25 with the black stock and B&L scope that was used in Dersert Storm (picture taken in Saudi Arabia in 1991).


....the rings used in this era on 30mm scopes were the Leupold Ultra tactical rings. Hope this info helps.
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I agree with Random Guy. I was thinking that it was most likely either the L&S Ultra or the B&L in 1990.

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Thanks guys but Nope and Nope. None of those scopes look anything like what was on the M21 kits we had. They looked like basic off the shelf Leupolds.

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Someone asked, in an earlier post to this thread, about why some didn't like the ART II system. I never had any problems with it. One of my scopes was used to win the sniper rifle competition at Camp Robinson back in the late 90's. However I recall some discussion, about the time the M24 came out, that one of the problems with the ART II was the screw securing the locking devise, used to lock the ranging ring and power ring together, would work loose and come out in the field. This resulted in loss of the ranging capability and wasn't generally repairable in the field.

I have been very satisfied with my M21 ART II systems. None of them have failed me and I have used them since about 1985. Note that late M21 rifles used the ART II and a medium weight barrel which greatly enhanced it's long range accuracy. The M21 I am using now has a standard weight NM barrel, but it was made by Krieger and significantly better than earlier standard weight GI NM barrels. I'm building a medium weight NM rifle now and may opt to put the ART II on it, at least to do a comparison. Note that the ART II scope pictured was purchased from Iron Sight, Inc., Tulsa, OK. It was assembled with NOS GI parts with the exception of the tube which was an original GI issue component. The rear screw is installed in the issue clip guide which has been drilled and tapped rather than using the commercial replacement part. This is the same way it was done by the MTU.
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I need an early black McMillan stock and artel scope!!!!

I don't want to pay too much.

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Maybe a temporary solution until you find one?


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Old April 17th, 2017, 11:45 AM   #65
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Restored mine...


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Old April 17th, 2017, 11:46 AM   #66
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Very nice. Were you ever able to fabricate a replica of the AR TEL cam device for retrofitting on a generic vintage Redfield? I saw an older picture of an experiment you had on your bench, but never heard the outcome.

This nice AR TEL scope showed up on eBay back in January, and "best offer was accepted" on it for an unkown amount...



...I'd like to find one like it for my 48k SAI NM, but they are kind-of pricey....

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Old April 17th, 2017, 12:00 PM   #68
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This is Majikani's after I finished with it. Oxide blast, black anodized.


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Old April 17th, 2017, 12:04 PM   #69
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Very nice. Were you ever able to fabricate a replica of the AR TEL cam device for retrofitting on a generic vintage Redfield? I saw an older picture of an experiment you had on your bench, but never heard the outcome.

This nice AR TEL scope showed up on eBay back in January, and "best offer was accepted" on it for an unkown amount...



...I'd like to find one like it for my 48k SAI NM, but they are kind-of pricey....
No. The CAM cannot slip over the threaded tube extension, so I would have to remove the extension, but I'm hesitant to muscle it off. Not that I can't replace the tube, it's just a garden variety 2nd generation Redfield 3x9.
I've seen pictures of it off (Dutchgunny posted some when Celtic Rifles anodized his scope).

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Got mounts and had thumb screws made..... But... Getting that CAM off was a snag.


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Bunch of gen 2's...


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Bunch of M84s..


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Most folks have probably seen the following pics from Senich's 'The Long-Range War', but I kind-of like these couple of pics re the early pre-XM21 circa 1968ish...

October 1969 picture with camo job on rifle


Close-up of M14 w/ M84:

A couple snipers of the 101st Airborne Division having beers after a mission in Vietnam, date unknown.


And of course the unorthodox M14E2 with M84 scope, as "improvised" by a "enterprising 1st Cavalry Division company commander" circa 1970...


...my contribution re vintage pics of pre-XM21 rifles as used in the late 1960s.

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Old April 17th, 2017, 12:24 PM   #74
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I need an early black McMillan stock and artel scope!!!!

I don't want to pay too much.

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AR-TEL is gonna run a pretty penny, unless you find a broken one.
I've seen them go for $2500 - $3000+!!.
When I bought mine, it was listed as "broken", but the reticle was intact, which is good because you cannot replace that reticle.
Glass was a disaster, so I swapped in all new glass and a new erector from another 2nd gen Redfield 3x9 I had, anodized it, good as new.
I paid $900 for that AR TEL.

Keep your eyes open, they come up every now and then.

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Most folks have probably seen the following pics from Senich's 'The Long-Range War', but I kind-of like these couple of pics re the early pre-XM21 circa 1968ish...

October 1969 picture with camo job on rifle


Close-up of M14 w/ M84:

A couple snipers of the 101st Airborne Division having beers after a mission in Vietnam, date unknown.


And of course the unorthodox M14E2 with M84 scope, as "improvised" by a "enterprising 1st Cavalry Division company commander" circa 1970...


...my contribution re vintage pics of pre-XM21 rifles as used in the late 1960s.
Top pic, the scope is missing the turret caps. Must have been a bitch keeping zero..
Mount on the rifle of the guy standing does not look like the Army Weapons Command mount.

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