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Old July 19th, 2009, 01:33 PM   #1
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Difference between M14 and M1A1

Newbie as you can probably tell - Is there a difference or is it just a name for the same rifle? I understand the M14 has not been in production for a long time but am not sure if the M1A1 is the same gun but with different name.

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Old July 19th, 2009, 02:07 PM   #2
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It's a simple misconception. Genuine M14's were made by Springfield National Armory, TRW, Winchester and Harrington and Richardson. The Springfield National Armory was closed in 1968. A commercial gunmaker lisenced the name in 1974. They specialized in making M14 and M1 Garand clones. Their civilian version of the M14 was the M1A. Other companies have made commercial M14's as well with their own names like LRB M14SA, Armscorp M14NM. Unless you have a genuine full auto M14 by one of the fantastic four, then they are all M14 clones or the commercial M1A.

I had the same misconception a few years ago and the exact same question. I never knew the SAI of today was not the same entity as the SA of yesterday.

Oh, and technically, an M1A1 is a tank or the Thompson sub machine gun.

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Old July 19th, 2009, 02:39 PM   #3
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The M1A1 is a folding stock .30cal M1 Carbine.

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Old July 19th, 2009, 02:40 PM   #4
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The Reason for the M1A Name is that when SAI first came out with the Commercial Semi only Rifle the ATF would not allow them to name it M14 therefor they named it M1A( I don't know what Year that was I guess Different would know) but they have eased up since then and You will find M14 on other Makers Rifles!

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The Reason for the M1A Name is that when SAI first came out with the Commercial Semi only Rifle the ATF would not allow them to name it M14 therefor they named it M1A( I don't know what Year that was I guess Different would know) but they have eased up since then and You will find M14 on other Makers Rifles!
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"Melvin Smith gave some thought to the name for the new commercial semi-automatic only M14 rifle. In the second half of 1969, Mr. Smith referred to the semi-automatic only commercial legal M14 type rifle as the M14C. At the time, M14 was considered by the BATF, then known as the ATFD, to be a machine gun. The model designation, M14, was flatly rejected by the BATF by no later than July 1970. Mr. Smith then considered naming the new commercial rifle, M15. The select fire rifle model name, M16, was not acceptable either for the same reason as M14.

In a letter from Edward M. "Ned" Hogan dated July 09, 1970, Melvin Smith was given the name for the new commercial M14 rifle. Mr. Hogan suggested M1A with an italicized letter A. Mr. Hogan reasoned that the civilian legal M14 type receiver should be known as the M1A because it was "legally derived from the present legally modified M1 receivers now marketed by you and Mr. Ballance rather than being derived from the illegal M14 or M15." Mr. Ballance agreed with the suggested name, M1A, but without the italicized letter A. Had Mr. Ballance not agreed to the model name M1A, Mr. Hogan had suggested model names M10 or M11. Mr. Hogan suggested M10 or M11 as alternate choices since the U. S. Army had never used those model numbers.

By no later than 1971 the Valley Ordnance M1A receiver design was approved as a Title I firearm under the 1968 Gun Control Act by the Department of the Treasury. Melvin Smith signed an exclusive contract with Elmer Ballance for Valley Ordnance to supply M1A finished receivers to Springfield Armory, Inc. These receivers were investment cast of certified AISI 8620 alloy steel."

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Old July 19th, 2009, 03:08 PM   #6
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I'm not 100% sure but if you look at M14 and M1A the A and
4 look very close to the eye. I'd be certain also that Elmer knew
that it would cause some confusion. When I first got into building
battle rifles there was a LOT of confusion especially with regard
to the Springfield name.

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Thank you to all who replied - answered my question totally - Thanks again. Sometimes ignorance is bliss - but not in this case!

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Old July 20th, 2009, 01:44 PM   #8
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Differents book is a great source of info on the history of the M14/M1A rifle. If you like details and charts this is the read for you. You can go to his website and download a free copy sans pictures.
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M14 vs M21

I didnt want to post another thread on a similar issue, but what is the difference between an M14/M1A and an M21/M25? Receiver mount and scope?

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correct me if I'm wrong, but LRB, Fulton, SAI etc. call it a M14 because it is truly chambered for 7.62x51, where Springfield's M1A is chambered in the commercial .308.

There is a difference between the 2 (head space, and pressures)

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Quick answer

Military M21 (1960s to today) = accurized M14 with scope mount and scope
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m21snip.jpg

Military M25 (circa 1990) = even more accurized M14 with scope mount and scope
http://www.snipercentral.com/images/m25.jpg

Springfield Armory Inc. M21 = Loaded model with adjustable cheek piece stock
http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=54

Springfield Armory Inc. M25 = National Match model with integral scope mount
http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=39

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correct me if I'm wrong, but LRB, Fulton, SAI etc. call it a M14 because it is truly chambered for 7.62x51, where Springfield's M1A is chambered in the commercial .308.

There is a difference between the 2 (head space, and pressures)
I dont Think So!

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