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Old June 28th, 2009, 07:58 PM   #1
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M14E2/M14A1 stock component pic request

I already started a thread in the Ordinance History section, but Hawk suggested I do one on the Firing Line.

I have a walnut E2 stock with a WECSOG modified vertical foregrip assy.

I think the buttplate is USGI, but I would like to see some pics of unmodified USGI M14E2 stock parts, so I can make a better determination.

I haven't had a chance to peek under the buttplate yet, but I will do so this weekend and post pics of what I find.

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Old June 29th, 2009, 02:15 AM   #3
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Aloha CopterDoc,

I took many pictures of the various parts that I was able to procure for my E2 build. When I was looking for parts, I really didn't know what the parts looked like or how they were installed, and the old manuals didn't really help... so I took pictures of the parts that I got to help those who might have found themselves in a similar situation...

There is a limit of six pictures per post (Rules of Engagement) so it is best if I post a link to my web site and you can browse as you like.

The link: http://dighawaii.com/CollectionPage/M1AE2_Project.html

When you get a chance, please reduce your pic count to six in compliance to the ROE's. If you like, I am sure you make another post and put the deleted pictures there.

I hope the pics I took are helpful. If not what you needed, give me a jingle or PM.

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The front grip is a fake from 1978. You can tell by the #6 Finishing Nail.

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The front grip is a fake from 1978. You can tell by the #6 Finishing Nail.
Is that the way it was originally made, or was it a "repair" done by Wyle E. Coyote?

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Is that the way it was originally made, or was it a "repair" done by Wyle E. Coyote?

Not a repair.

In 1978 a bunch of stocks got out without hardware. A dealer made the grips and buttplates.

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Old June 29th, 2009, 02:44 PM   #8
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Thank you so much Cass!

It looks like I have a fake butt plate too

By the way, that is one beautiful rifle!

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Old June 29th, 2009, 04:48 PM   #9
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Is your butt plate USGI?

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Old June 29th, 2009, 05:11 PM   #10
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Okay,

I got the butt plate off. Definitely fake.





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Sorry about that copterdoc. I hope you didn't get ripped off on it. I will definitely check out the grip and buttplate if, I mean when I purchase an M14E2/M14A1 stock.
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I hope Lee can verify the following. After all, I reached this conclusion after reading:

"M14 Rifle History and Development"

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Lee Emerson

01/13/06


Copyright 2005, 2006 by Lee Emerson


Part 1

The Military M14




If I am not mistaken, I have a walnut M14E2 stock manufactured at the Rock Island Arsenal in 67/68 and released in 78/79 before being sold with a reproduction foregrip and buttplate.



Now, my next question is; who was it "released" to?


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From M14 Rifle History and Development Fourth Edition by Lee Emerson copyright 2009:

"The M14E2/M14A1 rifle was fitted with a walnut or birch straight-line stock. At least one laminate wood M14E2 stock was made and it was issued for service. At least 10,350 M14E2 stocks were made in the 1960s. At least 8,350 M14E2 stocks were produced in 1963 and 1964 and another 2000 or better about 1967 or 1968. The first M14E2 stocks were made in late 1963. Most of the M14E2 stocks were made of birch at Canadian Arsenals Limited in Long Branch, Ontario, Canada in 1964 to support the M14E2 conversion project at Springfield Armory.

Canadian Arsenals Limited produced Browning pistols, Sten submachine guns and other military equipment during and after World War II. In 1986, the Canadian government privatized its Crown corporation, Canadian Arsenals Limited, by sale to the SNC Group for $Cdn 92,000,000. By 2001, SNC Group was known as General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems-Canada, Inc. Long Branch is a suburb of Toronto.

The few walnut M14E2 stocks were made at Springfield Armory, Rock Island Arsenal and Anniston Army Depot. Springfield Armory walnut M14E2 stocks have the DOD cartouche but Canadian Arsenals birch M14E2 stocks do not. Winchester made at least one cherry M14E2 stock. Sykes Manufacturing also made birch M14E2 stocks, presumably under contract for Springfield Armory. An additional 2,000 or more M14E2 stocks were produced around 1967 or 1968 but without the fore grip and butt plate assemblies. This latter batch of stocks was released around 1978 or 1979. These M14E2 stocks were sold with commercial reproduction fore grip and butt plate assemblies. The reproduction M14E2 butt plate bracket assemblies were made by casting.

In 1971, surplus parts dealer Pete Michaels (Batavia, IL) bought more than 3,000 M14A1 stocks without hardware and more than 200 M14A1 stocks with hardware. Springfield Armory, Inc. sold M14E2 birch and walnut stocks before 1994. Jack Dailey, owner of Fred's (Ramseur, NC), was the winning bidder in 2000 on a U. S. government auction of 2,701 M14E2 stocks."

The Springfield Armory M14E2 stocks I've seen are marked with S A under the butt plate. They will also sometimes be stamped with a numeral, e.g., 3.

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Okay, so if there is no stamp under the buttplate, does that mean it was made at the Rock Island Arsenal?

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Bill Ricca may know better but I would say that the M14A1 stock in the photographs above was not made at the government Springfield Armory, not made by Sykes Manufacturing and not made by Canadian Arsenals. I'll assume it does not have a DOD cartouche. Canadian Arsenals, Springfield Armory, and Sykes Manufacturing would stamp the end of the butt stock with their respective identification marking. Did they always do that 100 % of the time without fail? I don't know. Otherwise, that leaves Anniston Army Depot and Rock Island Arsenal as the only other known manufacturers of USGI M14E2 or M14A1 stocks.

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