M14 Forum


Glass bedding: the coat hangar method clarified

This is a discussion on Glass bedding: the coat hangar method clarified within the The M14 forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; I suppose anything that is robust and will keep persistent pressure will work. I'm sure Gus or Art will chime in. I'm using a fulcrum ...


Go Back   M14 Forum > M14 M1A Forum > The M14


20Thanks
Reply
 
LinkBack Moderator Tools Display Modes

Old December 1st, 2012, 10:50 PM   #31
Dodgin' The Reaper
 
tonyben's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 6,619

Awards Showcase

I suppose anything that is robust and will keep persistent pressure will work. I'm sure Gus or Art will chime in. I'm using a fulcrum device for my next job.

tonyben is online now  
Remove Ads
Old December 2nd, 2012, 05:34 AM   #32
Banned Camp
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 683
VERY nice work TB. Thanks all for tips. I have done a few Rem 700's and a couple 03s, but nothing like this. I guess I gotta dig in.

Thanks from tonyben
buckshot85 is offline  
Old December 2nd, 2012, 05:59 AM   #33
Lifer
 
Bamban's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 4,194

Awards Showcase

Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyben View Post
Valspar 225 from Sherfab.

Tony.
Thank you.

I believe Art Luppino uses it as well. In one of Gus' posts he also mentioned using it. How any spray coats do you apply, and how long do you allow it to dry out?

Bamban is offline  
Old December 2nd, 2012, 06:33 AM   #34
Platoon Sergeant
 
Ionian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lowell, IN.
Posts: 384
One of the best release agents I have found is Kiwi neutral shoe polish.

Ionian is offline  
Old December 2nd, 2012, 07:17 AM   #35
Dodgin' The Reaper
 
tonyben's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 6,619

Awards Showcase

Quote:
Originally Posted by buckshot85 View Post
VERY nice work TB. Thanks all for tips. I have done a few Rem 700's and a couple 03s, but nothing like this. I guess I gotta dig in.
Thanks. Bedding my LRB was the first bedding job I ever did. I failed 3 times before I finally yielded the results in the previous images.

Last year I action/pillar bedded my Savage 110 and it was very easy in comparison.

Tony.

tonyben is online now  
Old December 2nd, 2012, 07:23 AM   #36
Dodgin' The Reaper
 
tonyben's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 6,619

Awards Showcase

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bamban View Post
Thank you.

I believe Art Luppino uses it as well. In one of Gus' posts he also mentioned using it. How any spray coats do you apply, and how long do you allow it to dry out?
One of my failed attempts was with 2 or 3 coats of TFE. The bedding stuck and ripped out some of the wood from my stock. After that, I was a little gun shy. I switched to the 225 and even though Gus recommends that only one coat is sufficient, but I use 2. I can't remember the drying time. I want to say it was 10 minutes between coats and I let it set about 30 minutes before bedding.

Tony.

tonyben is online now  
Old December 9th, 2012, 11:22 AM   #37
Platoon Commander
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Back in okinawa
Posts: 481
So if you do the coat hanger method properly, after you have bedded the rifle. When you install the action back into the stock the first thing to make contact will be the front of the receiver against the bedding and there will still be a gap under the heel until pressure is applied. Am I correct in thinking this will be the end result?

spsosicmcise is offline  
Old December 9th, 2012, 11:40 AM   #38
MGySgt USMC (ret)
 
Gus Fisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Virginia
Posts: 7,067

Awards Showcase

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bamban View Post
Thank you.

I believe Art Luppino uses it as well. In one of Gus' posts he also mentioned using it. How any spray coats do you apply, and how long do you allow it to dry out?
ONE coat that covers everything is all that is needed. If you get all the surfaces "wet" with it, that's all you need. Only takes maybe a minute or two to air dry.

I use Valspar 225 (what was known for years as Ram Mold Release 225) for two reasons:

1. It ABSOLUTELY works every time to properly mold release coat the metal.

2. It is the THINNEST Mold Release on the market and thus you get a tighter glass job that will stay tighter longer.

I also use Brownell's Accra Release mold release, but ONLY for things like when I'm using Accraglass Gel to build up super worn Garand stocks back to just a bit tighter than GI specs, but can be used like any plain GI stock.

Gus Fisher is offline  
Old December 9th, 2012, 11:45 AM   #39
MGySgt USMC (ret)
 
Gus Fisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Virginia
Posts: 7,067

Awards Showcase

Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyben View Post
One of my failed attempts was with 2 or 3 coats of TFE. The bedding stuck and ripped out some of the wood from my stock. After that, I was a little gun shy. I switched to the 225 and even though Gus recommends that only one coat is sufficient, but I use 2. I can't remember the drying time. I want to say it was 10 minutes between coats and I let it set about 30 minutes before bedding.

Tony.
Brownells TFE as a mold release is garbage. I had the same problem with it myself. It's good for other things, but NOT for mold release.

The first thing I do when bedding is coat the metal parts, then begin to mix up the bedding material. Valspar is dry by the time I get the stuff mixed up correctly.

Gus Fisher is offline  
Old December 9th, 2012, 11:56 AM   #40
MGySgt USMC (ret)
 
Gus Fisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Virginia
Posts: 7,067

Awards Showcase

Quote:
Originally Posted by spsosicmcise View Post
So if you do the coat hanger method properly, after you have bedded the rifle. When you install the action back into the stock the first thing to make contact will be the front of the receiver against the bedding and there will still be a gap under the heel until pressure is applied. Am I correct in thinking this will be the end result?
M1 and M14 receivers all go into the stock with the front of the receiver first as they are made that way to go in at aboiut a 2 degree angle. After you remove the piece of coat hanger and clean up the bedding, the receiver won't stick up very high as it did when the coat hanger was in place, though.

Gus Fisher is offline  
Old December 9th, 2012, 12:11 PM   #41
Platoon Commander
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Back in okinawa
Posts: 481
That's what I was wondering. Thanks

spsosicmcise is offline  
Old December 10th, 2012, 04:36 PM   #42
Banned Camp
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 683
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gus Fisher View Post
ONE coat that covers everything is all that is needed. If you get all the surfaces "wet" with it, that's all you need. Only takes maybe a minute or two to air dry.

I use Valspar 225 (what was known for years as Ram Mold Release 225) for two reasons:

1. It ABSOLUTELY works every time to properly mold release coat the metal.

2. It is the THINNEST Mold Release on the market and thus you get a tighter glass job that will stay tighter longer.

I also use Brownell's Accra Release mold release, but ONLY for things like when I'm using Accraglass Gel to build up super worn Garand stocks back to just a bit tighter than GI specs, but can be used like any plain GI stock.
Is Acraglass any better or worse than Marinetex for a bedding job on an M1A? I have used acraglass on bolt guns with great results. Mix 50/50, pretty easy. Just looking for opinions on both from more experienced fellas.

buckshot85 is offline  
Old December 11th, 2012, 01:45 AM   #43
MGySgt USMC (ret)
 
Gus Fisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Virginia
Posts: 7,067

Awards Showcase

Quote:
Originally Posted by buckshot85 View Post
Is Acraglass any better or worse than Marinetex for a bedding job on an M1A? I have used acraglass on bolt guns with great results. Mix 50/50, pretty easy. Just looking for opinions on both from more experienced fellas.
Accraglas gel is not as tough of a bedding material as Marine Tex and it does not remain as tight for as many shots fired as Marine Tex. Accraglas is as tough or tougher than plain wood, though, and will remain tighter for more shots fired longer in a Garand or M1A than a plain wood stock. Which bedding material you choose should be from how you are going to use the rifle.

If you mainly plink or informal target shoot with a Garand or M1A, then Accraglas is fine. If you are going to fire as many rounds as NM shooters each year, then Marine Tex should be your choice. If you are using a GI fiberglass stock, then I would only use Marine Tex as I think it adheres better than Accraglas on those stocks.

Thanks from buckshot85
Gus Fisher is offline  
Old December 11th, 2012, 02:58 AM   #44
Dodgin' The Reaper
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Austin, TX, USA
Posts: 5,282
Brownell's stepped up Acraglas and calls the product SteelBed to compete with MarineTex and Devcon. It's good on wood, easy to mix, you can load it in, work it, dries hard as gemstone, no voids.

bd111 is offline  
Old December 11th, 2012, 03:33 AM   #45
MGySgt USMC (ret)
 
Gus Fisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Virginia
Posts: 7,067

Awards Showcase

Quote:
Originally Posted by bd111 View Post
Brownell's stepped up Acraglas and calls the product SteelBed to compete with MarineTex and Devcon. It's good on wood, easy to mix, you can load it in, work it, dries hard as gemstone, no voids.
Steel bed is an excellent bedding material, but I want to ensure folks understand it is not the same thing as Accraglas or even an improved Accraglas. It is a completely different kind of bedding material. Steel Bed does adhere well to wood and it also adheres well to fiberglass stocks of all kinds as well.

Gus Fisher is offline  
Reply

  M14 Forum > M14 M1A Forum > The M14



Search tags for this page

bedding clamp

,

bedding usgi fiberglass

,

coat hangar

,

coat hanger

,
coathanger
,
draw pressure
,

glass bedding

,
glass bedding fulcrum
,
glass bedding m1a usgi fiberglass
,
how much material to remove for glass bedding
,
m1a coat hanger bedding
,

tonyben

Click on a term to search for related topics.

Moderator Tools
Display Modes


Similar M14 Forum Discussions
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
M14/M1A Glass bedding tutorial and additional info **Updated 07/28/09** tonyben Reference 61 August 3rd, 2014 06:34 AM
M14/M1A Glass bedding tutorial and additional info **Updated 10/06/09** tonyben The M14 44 March 25th, 2012 02:31 AM
Pillar bedding a single lug, torque screw rifle. Gus Fisher Accuracy 3 October 6th, 2009 04:05 PM
accuracy from a standard vs. NM? thomastred The M14 6 February 10th, 2008 10:19 AM
Glassbedding the M14 Via Coathanger Method...By Gus Fisher hans The M14 0 January 20th, 2008 10:49 AM



Top Gun Sites Top Sites List