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Old September 27th, 2008, 02:44 PM   #1
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Dumb Question about M14s I suppose.

Does anyone know if it is possible to reload an M14 as the following:

1. Last shot fired, bolt is held open
2. Magazine removed, new one inserted
3. Hits the Bolt Catch on the left of the gun (A bit like the M16 way of reloading)
4. Bolt slams shut and gun is ready to fire.

This seems to be far faster then having to take your hand off the trigger and pulling back the bolt and letting it slide into battery, but I suppose that the former method probably isn't possible.

If anyone can take the time to say that trying to press on the bolt release latch isn't a way to make the bolt slide into battery then that would be great. Thanks in advance.


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Old September 27th, 2008, 03:08 PM   #2
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I believe smith ent's extended bolt catch allows this?


Even with the standard bolt catch installed, one doesn't have to remove the firing hand from its grip to charge the weapon.

Simply rotate/cant the rifle slightly to left and bring your support hand over the receiver to hit the charging handle.

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Yes, it can be done but the USGI design bolt lock is replaced with an extended bolt lock. Extended bolt locks have been made by Rooster33, Troy Industries and Smith Enterprise. The Smith Enterprise extended bolt lock is still in production.

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Yes, it can be done but the USGI design bolt lock is replaced with an extended bolt lock. Extended bolt locks have been made by Rooster33, Troy Industries and Smith Enterprise. The Smith Enterprise extended bolt lock is still in production.
This probably might be a very aggravating question to answer, but looking at the M14, it seems that as long as you aren't wearing gloves or if you aren't fighting in the sandpit trying to stay alive, you can press the bolt-stop and it will release the bolt.

Well it looks like if you get a M14 with the Troy MCS with backup sights and your optic of choice along with a extended bolt stop, you have the perfect MBR. I wonder if the bolt stop is blocked by the Troy MCS though... it seems like it might.

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I'm not sure I'm understanding the previous post. On my rifles with the USGI design bolt lock, pushing on the bolt lock will not release the bolt. On those rifles, I must pull the operating rod handle slightly to the rear to release the bolt from its hold open position.

On my rifles with the SEI extended bolt lock, I can release the bolt by tapping the extended bolt lock. I usually use my left hand to do that since I'm right-handed. HTH

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I'm not sure I'm understanding the previous post. On my rifles with the USGI design bolt lock, pushing on the bolt lock will not release the bolt. On those rifles, I must pull the operating rod handle slightly to the rear to release the bolt from its hold open position.

On my rifles with the SEI extended bolt lock, I can release the bolt by tapping the extended bolt lock. I usually use my left hand to do that since I'm right-handed. HTH
Ok so you need an extended bolt lock to be able to tap the bolt lock and slide the bolt into battery that way.

The final question I guess I'm asking if the extended bolt stop would be blocked if it was installed on the Troy MCS.

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The final question I guess I'm asking if the extended bolt stop would be blocked if it was installed on the Troy MCS.
No. Both USGI design and commercial extended bolt locks will work just fine with the Troy Industries MCS.

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Old September 27th, 2008, 05:19 PM   #8
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If you're using a sling supported firing position (to improve your accuracy) the firing hand (I'm right handed) is used to removed the empty magazine, retrieve and insert the the new magazine and pop the op rod to release it.

Quick, easy and no issues. For me anyway, using the sling greatly improves my shooting at those far away targets.

Remember, the M14 followed the M1 Garand. The use of the sling was taught to improve accuracy of fire and the firing hand was used to load the new clip.

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If you're using a sling supported firing position (to improve your accuracy) the firing hand (I'm right handed) is used to removed the empty magazine, retrieve and insert the the new magazine and pop the op rod to release it.

Quick, easy and no issues. For me anyway, using the sling greatly improves my shooting at those far away targets.

Remember, the M14 followed the M1 Garand. The use of the sling was taught to improve accuracy of fire and the firing hand was used to load the new clip.
It seems like in the offhand position using the supporting hand to reload seems to be a wee bit faster and more natural for those who are transitioning from the M16 ergonomics.

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It seems like in the offhand position using the supporting hand to reload seems to be a wee bit faster and more natural for those who are transitioning from the M16 ergonomics.
Remember that unlike the M16 ergos, the M14 (with a standard Rifle stock as opposed to a Pistol Grip) is a pain to keep on target while you do the swap. It's muzzle heavier than a M16 and you don't have the leverage you have with the Pistol Grip. It can be done, I'm just saying it doesn't work like it does on a M16. Hint: Tuck the buttplate in your armpit for the reload!

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Remember that unlike the M16 ergos, the M14 (with a standard Rifle stock as opposed to a Pistol Grip) is a pain to keep on target while you do the swap. It's muzzle heavier than a M16 and you don't have the leverage you have with the Pistol Grip. It can be done, I'm just saying it doesn't work like it does on a M16. Hint: Tuck the buttplate in your armpit for the reload!
Indeed if you were using the standard stock you should reload with your trigger hand, but if you're using the EBR or the Troy MCS where they have a pistol grip, the M16 style should work a lot better.

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I have one on my M14 and yes, put the fresh mag in and slap the side just like the M16/AR15 and your hot to trot.

Check this out...

Smith Ent. extended release

http://www.smithenterprise.com/products03.html




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Old September 28th, 2008, 04:25 PM   #13
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I have one on my M14 and yes, put the fresh mag in and slap the side just like the M16/AR15 and your hot to trot.

Check this out...

Smith Ent. extended release

http://www.smithenterprise.com/products03.html



How difficult is it to install? Would I require special tools?


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M14 extended bolt stop installation

Removing a roll pin, option 1
Situation: all the roll pins have been in those M-14s for about 30 years and may be rusted into place.
1. Start by squirting some Kano Kroil on and into the roll pin. Let it stand for 30 minutes to an hour. Sometimes this helps break the rust loose when trying to drive out the roll pin. Contact jjackson@kanolabs.com, 615-833-4101, or visit www.kanolabs.com
2. Place the receiver in a vice, muzzle end up. Using a high grade 1/16” Starrett pin punch, place the punch on the edge of the roll pin (so it does not slip driectly into the hole of the pin) and start to tap it out. You will only be able to move the roll pin about 1/32” or less – this is just to help break the roll pin loose.
3. Modify a 3/32” pin punch to further dislodge the pin.
1. Grind a flat on the punch, taking it down to the OD of the pin punch, and grind a flat on the pin (3/32” is OK). Note that the roll pin hole in the receiver is .094” ID and a Starrett 3/32” is smaller at .0930”
2. See if the modified punch can be put into the roll pin hole and tapped further. Do this with caution until the pin punch stops. Because it is now stuck, you will have to remove the punch without breaking the receiver. You may have to place the punch into the vise and tap the receiver until you free the punch.
3. Look to see if you have moved the roll pin out far enough to grab it with a vise, about 1/4” or so.
4. With the receiver on its side and the roll pin extending down, grab the pin in the vise, tightening the jaws until the pin is flattened.
5. Using a brass hammer or hard-faced mallet, hit the back end of the receiver until the roll pin comes out.
You will need a new roll pin and we always belt sand the OD of the new roll pin down on about 3/4 of the length of the pin, so as to make just a slip fit. The rest of the unground pin will hold the bolt stop without a problem. Always lube the pin before installing.
Removing a roll pin, option 2
Sometimes option 1 (shown above) will not work for whatever reason, so we do the following:
1. Obtain the following items, which can be found at J&L Industrial Supply, 800-521-9520, www.jlindustrial.com catalog Volume 75, pages 1722W, 1723W:
-FORDOM flexible shaft tool kit, order no. FDM-02274E with 1/8” arbors, order no. FDM-39060M M6
-DREMEL (36 to the pack) 15/16” dia. cut-off wheels, order no. DRM-00409J or DREMEL P/N 409.
2. Cut the roll pin:
a. Using the tools listed above, mount the cut-off wheel to the arbor, and the arbor into the hand piece chuck.
b. Push the standard bolt stop in the rear direction of the receiver as far as it will go. This exposes some of the roll pin.
c. Cut through the pin, taking care not to touch the receiver with the cut-off wheel, if possible. Do not worry about cutting the old bolt stop.
d. Go to the other side and repeat this process if needed.
Once you have the old bolt stop out of the way, it is usually a simple matter to get the remaining pins out from both sides without breaking the receiver.


Source: Smith Enterprise, Inc.

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I believe smith ent's extended bolt catch allows this?


Even with the standard bolt catch installed, one doesn't have to remove the firing hand from its grip to charge the weapon.

Simply rotate/cant the rifle slightly to left and bring your support hand over the receiver to hit the charging handle.
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