M14 Forum


Muzzle breaks.. Questions.

This is a discussion on Muzzle breaks.. Questions. within the The M14 forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; Hey I'm from Mass. one of the bad states to be in as a gun owner. I'm getting a Scout Squad in May. I want ...


Go Back   M14 Forum > M14 M1A Forum > The M14

Reply
 
LinkBack Moderator Tools Display Modes

Old February 17th, 2008, 03:46 PM   #1
Grunt
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 117
Muzzle breaks.. Questions.

Hey I'm from Mass. one of the bad states to be in as a gun owner. I'm getting a Scout Squad in May. I want to drop it into a Troy industries rail system with a pistol grip and fixed rear butstock. I have to have the compensator permantly attched though and have the threads removed from the end of the barrel in order to comply with state law on assault weapons. Has anyone done this or seen any issues doing this with the SEI coast gaurd muzzle break? Let me know, lata.

pbriggs7 is offline  
Remove Ads
Old February 17th, 2008, 07:08 PM   #2
Grunt
 
bnz.S4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Earth
Posts: 119
Am I getting this right? You mean MA law says the break has to be permanent? As in Welded etc? Damn!

bnz.S4 is offline  
Old February 17th, 2008, 08:40 PM   #3
Fire Team Leader
 
Gascozark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central Missouri
Posts: 213
Post

Although I'm not a MA resident, it appears to be true. I read a little bit about it after reading this post. I'm not certain, but if I read correctly, a pre-'94 built rifle would not need this mod, but you'd better check for sure.

I did find this about the attachment method:

"One example of an ATF approved method...


Quote:
DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
Washington, D.C. 20226

JUN 18 1998 F:FPD:FTB:RAT
3311


Dear Mr. :

This refers to your letter of March 31, 1998, in which you ask
about permanently attaching a muzzle device to various firearms.

A muzzle device, such as a muzzle brake or barrel extension, which
is attached to a barrel by means of welding or high temperature
silver solder having a melting point of at least 1,100 degrees
Fahrenheit, is considered to be part of the barrel for purposes of
measurement. A seam weld extending at least one-half the
circumference of the barrel or four equidistant tack welds around
the circumference of the barrel are adequate for this purpose.

A firearm having a muzzle brake, cap, or barrel extension
permanently attached by those same methods to cover the threads on a barrel, would not be considered to have a threaded muzzle.
Please note, however, that any muzzle device or barrel extension
which functions as a flash suppressor or grenade launcher would
still constitute one of the qualifying features of a semiautomatic
assault weapon as that term is defined in 18 U.S.C. section
921(a)(30(B). Industrial adhesive products are not an acceptable
method for permanently attaching a muzzle device."

HTH

Lord, I pray this form of lunacy doesn't become nationwide after November....


Gascozark is offline  
Old February 18th, 2008, 04:53 AM   #4
Grunt
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 117
Gascozark, you are correct. Yes grunt by Mass. law the barrel would have to have the muzzle break soldered. The reason being is Mass. still has an assault weapon ban in effect. M14/M1A's follow under this rule because they can readily accept high capacity magazines. Which means under the assault weapon ban you can only have one other of the following:

Flash suppresor, or threaded barrel to accept one.
Protruding pistol grip.
Bayonnet lug.
Grenade launcher, or
Telescopic/folding stock.

Under the law any weapons built right now means they have to comply with law as it stands. You can't even use pre-ban parts and assemble them unless they conform. So because I want to put the troy industries stock on it with a pistol grip I have to permantly attach the muzzle break.

Gascozark your reply was much appreciated as it solves my question about the muzzle break being attached permantly and the rules for how it has to be attached.

Grunt I can't even by high capacity mags in Mass unless they were pre '94. You have no idea how much of a pain that is right now finding affordable quality mags for the M14/M1A.

pbriggs7 is offline  
Old February 18th, 2008, 01:41 PM   #5
Old Salt
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 1,848

Awards Showcase

Quote:
Originally Posted by pbriggs7 View Post
Gascozark, you are correct. Yes grunt by Mass. law the barrel would have to have the muzzle break soldered. The reason being is Mass. still has an assault weapon ban in effect. M14/M1A's follow under this rule because they can readily accept high capacity magazines. Which means under the assault weapon ban you can only have one other of the following:

Flash suppresor, or threaded barrel to accept one.
Protruding pistol grip.
Bayonnet lug.
Grenade launcher, or
Telescopic/folding stock.

Under the law any weapons built right now means they have to comply with law as it stands. You can't even use pre-ban parts and assemble them unless they conform. So because I want to put the troy industries stock on it with a pistol grip I have to permantly attach the muzzle break.

Gascozark your reply was much appreciated as it solves my question about the muzzle break being attached permantly and the rules for how it has to be attached.

Grunt I can't even by high capacity mags in Mass unless they were pre '94. You have no idea how much of a pain that is right now finding affordable quality mags for the M14/M1A.
Keep in mind that once you permanently attach a muzzle brake, you can't get the gas cylinder off. I expect there are quite a few reasons why you might want to do this but one is wanting to either unitize the gas cylinder or shimming it to get a similar result. It's not clear from looking at the Troy website whether there'd be an accuracy benefit from that modification, but if you ever decided to go back to a traditional stock, you'd be stuck.

M1AallTheWay is offline  
Reply

  M14 Forum > M14 M1A Forum > The M14



Search tags for this page
are muzzle brakes legal in ma
,

are muzzle brakes legal in massachusetts

,
are muzzle brakes ma legal
,

is a muzzle brake legal in ma

,
mass legal muzzle brake
,
massachusetts law re: muzzle brakes on rifles
,
massachusetts legal muzzle break
,
massachusetts muzzle brake
,
massachusetts muzzle break
,
muzzle brake legal in ma
,
muzzle brake massachusetts
,
muzzle break legal in ma
Click on a term to search for related topics.

Moderator Tools
Display Modes


Similar M14 Forum Discussions
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Muzzle Brake Questions AirConda Modern M14 21 January 3rd, 2012 05:57 AM
Muzzle breaks and SEI ACOG mount jsnspck PX 3 March 22nd, 2011 05:52 AM
"Info for Vets: VA Hospital Questions..." CCKen Veterans Affairs 2 April 9th, 2010 08:39 AM
SEI Muzzle Breaks Sumo99 The M14 10 January 13th, 2008 10:02 AM
AKM style SKS muzzle breaks 7.62Nato Foreign 0 June 17th, 2007 04:18 PM



Top Gun Sites Top Sites List