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Old May 15th, 2017, 06:58 AM   #1
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Double lug after market kit install?

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/647018428

Can anyone tell me a little more about this double lug after market kit on Gunbroker?

Do the require welding?

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Old May 15th, 2017, 07:20 AM   #2
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Yes, would definitely require welding.
and not just your average gorilla bead welder like me.
You'll need a pro with heat treat experience, i'd expect.

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Old May 15th, 2017, 07:22 AM   #3
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Back in the day so to speak owned and shot an SAI that had been fitted with rear lug, Krieger Super Match barrel configuration and it was a fine shooting rifle, but rifle should have come with a set of wheels to pull it around. Sold it to a friend of mine that was just absolutely sure he could go from a Marksman to a High Master if he just had that rear lugged rifle of mine. He used for a season or two and finally gave up on it for he said it wore him out on a hot day going from 2-600yd. line. I have to assume the rear lugged system does improve accuracy but doing such leaves a long way to go to gain that extra edge of accurate shooting by the trigger puller. Replacement of the lugged rifle was with built NM medium barrel, non lugged, and scores did not suffer but improved over time with practice. Keep in mind the stock must be of sufficient size to accept lugs on the action hence increasing weight/bulk, but that is just me.

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http://www.gunbroker.com/item/647018428

Can anyone tell me a little more about this double lug after market kit on Gunbroker?

Do the require welding?
I would pass but that's Me and I'm a fan of lugs...

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Yes, would definitely require welding.
and not just your average gorilla bead welder like me.
You'll need a pro with heat treat experience, i'd expect.
Nahhhhh, just someone with a steady hand and half a brain....

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I am a fan of this mans work but he will remain nameless until I get a receiver done. Derick Martin also does a double lug, he uses a front lug type that doesn't require welding.
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if your gonna shoot serious matches,it maybe worth it,otherwise,not worth the grief. that type of gun is built from the ground up,custom barrels,gas system,etc. then after the main gun is done,off to mcmillan for a custom fit stock.then,you will need to be fitted for a custom truss to carry it.it's basically for the young well built dudes.

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if your gonna shoot serious matches,it maybe worth it,otherwise,not worth the grief. that type of gun is built from the ground up,custom barrels,gas system,etc. then after the main gun is done,off to mcmillan for a custom fit stock.then,you will need to be fitted for a custom truss to carry it.it's basically for the young well built dudes.
Nahhhh.... Your full of beans...

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if your gonna shoot serious matches,it maybe worth it,otherwise,not worth the grief. that type of gun is built from the ground up,custom barrels,gas system,etc. then after the main gun is done,off to mcmillan for a custom fit stock.then,you will need to be fitted for a custom truss to carry it.it's basically for the young well built dudes.
I think I could handle the weight.

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If your going to do this don't do it halfazzed get a new Mac stock and have it professionally done.

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Before you grab your bush hawg welder and start laying beads on a pristine receiver,
you'd do well to practice on a cheapo cut M14 heel for grins first.

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According to what I've read from the experts on this forum, lugged rifle, rear or both front and rear, doesn't shoot any better than the equivalent non lugged set up properly. It's intended for a bedded stock and is supposed to make the bedding last longer. As others above have stated, usually double or single lugging is one of the last things that you can do after all of the other mods, heavy stock, heavy contour match barrel, unitized gas system, etc. All of which add up to a heavy rifle. I don't know from personal experience, but I've heard that the double lug rifles can be a real pain to remove from the stocks. I bought a rear lugged receiver a long time ago, before I understood that it would seriously limit my options for different types of stocks. Once you build it as a lugged rifle, that receiver isn't going to be going into a Sage or Black feather, and any wood or fiberglass stock you choose will have to be relieved for the lug(s), and unless you bed it, you won't realize any of the intended benefits of lugging the receiver.

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Everyone is giving you input. But I would ask:

Why do you want to consider this?
What is your reason for doing something such as this?

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Old May 15th, 2017, 11:29 AM   #13
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Everyone is giving you input. But I would ask:

Why do you want to consider this?
What is your reason for doing something such as this?
I just ran across this on Gun Broker and was curious. It says DIY. Wondered how involved it was as far as welding. And since my experience and background is with bolt guns I know how important a large oversized lug is. I've seem my 338 RUM bend it's lug from the recoil.
While I'm a novice with the M14 platform I compare and see only a trigger group and some bedding is all that's exorbing the recoil.

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I just ran across this on Gun Broker and was curious. It says DIY. Wondered how involved it was as far as welding. And since my experience and background is with bolt guns I know how important a large oversized lug is. I've seem my 338 RUM bend it's lug from the recoil.
While I'm a novice with the M14 platform I compare and see only a trigger group and some bedding is all that's exorbing the recoil.

That's why I ask the question.
the recoil on the M14 is very little. Insignificant to me at least, and even less so when it's in a large chassis like JAE or Sage.

Recoil reduction would not be a reason to lug the reciever.
The only reason in my mind to go this route is to give your bedding a longer life which in turn can give that slight accuracy improvement from perfect bedding longer life.

I would not do this for your stated reason. I probably wouldn't do for any reason.

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if your going to do this lugged receiver,have it done by the original manufacturer. they will make the lugs out of exactly the same material as the receiver. this way,using the correct tig rod will be compatible with all the pieces. this will be done before any heat treating is done.welds can be inspected,and it is heat treated all together as one unit.

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