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Old May 13th, 2017, 05:20 PM   #1
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Second Trip To The Range With The M1A

Well got a range trip in today. Started off on the 50 yard range since the 100 yard range was closed for an event. Fired off a mag and took a look at the target and adjusted my sights. Saw some improvement. It was kind of a slow day so one of the ROs did some spotting for me. I put a few rounds through the same hole according to him. The best group I shot at the 50 yard range was a 2.25" ten shot group. One thing I did learn that for shooting at distance a target with a bulls-eye bigger then 1" might help, the front sight blade covered most of the bulls-eye.

The 100 yard range opened up and went to try my luck there. It was pretty clear that the 1" bulls-eye was almost impossible to see so it was almost guess work on the targets. Groups were not that good but I put rounds on paper.

It's always fun to take the M1A and XD out and get some rounds through them. Think I will keep looking at optics options as well as consider a spotting scope.

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Old May 13th, 2017, 05:51 PM   #2
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Well got a range trip in today. Started off on the 50 yard range since the 100 yard range was closed for an event. Fired off a mag and took a look at the target and adjusted my sights. Saw some improvement. It was kind of a slow day so one of the ROs did some spotting for me. I put a few rounds through the same hole according to him. The best group I shot at the 50 yard range was a 2.25" ten shot group. One thing I did learn that for shooting at distance a target with a bulls-eye bigger then 1" might help, the front sight blade covered most of the bulls-eye.

The 100 yard range opened up and went to try my luck there. It was pretty clear that the 1" bulls-eye was almost impossible to see so it was almost guess work on the targets. Groups were not that good but I put rounds on paper.

It's always fun to take the M1A and XD out and get some rounds through them. Think I will keep looking at optics options as well as consider a spotting scope.
I had the same but at 25 yds since 100 yd range was closed for trap shooting. I finally got my M14 irons dialed in to pattern in the bull. At 100 yds I had hard time getting focus thru the iron sights so I was all over the target (aging eyes) so I scoped it with a Leupold MK4 which I haven't test ranged it yet. Vortex Viper line is another option and cheaper than the Leopolds but same or better optics.

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Old May 13th, 2017, 06:09 PM   #3
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In the situation where your front post is obscuring the target as you mention don't take a center target sight picture but a 6 o'clock hold and adjust sights accordingly. Even with a bulls eye that the post does not obscure a 6 o'clock hold will give you a line of white between post and bulls eye. The black post and black target face does not let you know if you are lower than you should be or higher than you should be plus you double check your post is in the center of the target face. Both post and target face being black kind of leaves you blind so to speak. Just a suggestion.

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Here's a link for targets. You want the SR1 target for 100 yards. Its the 200 yard target reduced for 100 yard shooting. Just print them up and use a 6 o'clock hold.
http://bisonballistics.com/downloads...ntable-targets
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Keep in mind your target "circle" very well could be "smaller" then the square post. Thats my favorite part.
Thats a slick group there.
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Thanks for the tips. Something to try on my next trip.

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Old May 13th, 2017, 08:19 PM   #7
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If you get a ten round group in 4" at 100 that's pretty darn good.

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If you get a ten round group in 4" at 100 that's pretty darn good.
Yep!

And Irons Rock!

And what Instructor said and all the others is real good advice too.

I am 64 and shoot the M1A 22" barrel using 1.0 diopter shooting glasses. Helps keep the front sight post in focus, but not loosing the target focus.

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I do not work for them, but Creedmoor Sports currently has a 10% off sale on their printed targets. I ordered a bunch of SR-1C target centers, 200 targets for $31.77 shipped. That comes out to about $ .16 cents a target. Don't forget to use the promo code in the ad. I ordered on Wed. and received targets on Friday.

The black portion on the SR-1C target goes around 6 1/4 inches edge to edge of the 9 ring.

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I do not work for them, but Creedmoor Sports currently has a 10% off sale on their printed targets. I ordered a bunch of SR-1C target centers, 200 targets for $31.77 shipped. That comes out to about $ .16 cents a target. Don't forget to use the promo code in the ad. I ordered on Wed. and received targets on Friday.

The black portion on the SR-1C target goes around 6 1/4 inches edge to edge of the 9 ring.

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Good to know. I need to resupply. I try to stick with those SR-1C targets for the 100 yard range, since they are the official size to match the M1A front sight post at 100 yards.

And for 200 yards I use the SR-C with the 13 inch aiming black. It is amazing that using the irons on the M1A the with 200 yard SR-C the sight picture looks exactly the same as the SR-1C at 100 yards. Tests and develops your shooting skills!

For those who have enjoyed unofficial target sizes and formats using the irons, I strongly suggest using these targets as well: SR-1C for 100 yards, and SR-C for 200 yards. Use 6 o'clock hold on these and you will probably elevate your game! Try 'em. You will like 'em.

Many switch to optics to shoot better. But they have never trained on SR-C and SR-1C targets with irons and don't know how good they can really shoot. Which is better than they think they can. Last I was at the range I shot a 92 at 200 yards with the M1A with irons. Same range trip with my Mauser with glass, the best I could to was 89 at 200 yards. These were 10 round groups at a tripod, not a bench.

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Just downloaded some pics off my phone with a few of my targets from the range trip and figured I would share them.
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I just ran into the same problem as OP a couple of days ago during my first range trip with my new M1A Loaded. At 50 yards I could see decently well but at 100 yards I felt like I was shooting blind. Funny thing is that can see and shoot much better with my M1 Garand at 100. I actually thought the M1A might even be better due to the smaller NM rear aperture but it wasn't so.
I've spent a good part of today studying the various scope options and was just getting ready to pull the trigger on one when I ran across this thread so I think I'll try the SR-1 target with a 6 o'clock hold before I jump into an optic. I'd much rather shoot with the irons.
Thanks for the help guys.

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I've spent a good part of today studying the various scope options and was just getting ready to pull the trigger on one when I ran across this thread so I think I'll try the SR-1 target with a 6 o'clock hold before I jump into an optic. I'd much rather shoot with the irons.
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I am actually removing a scope this weekend from one of my rifles. I bought a new set of sights from Tech Sights that imitate military aperture irons in sight picture and sight radius.

Irons are great for off hand because the magnification effect of the scope magnifies the effect of the wobbles too. I find the eye/trigger finger coordination gets lost because the wobbles appear to move so fast. The action gets too fast to work with. Slow brain in other words I guess. From a bench not a problem. With irons standing off hand I can much better coordinate the wobbles and the break.

Just a ten cent opinion fwiw.

You will enjoy those targets. They are made for the M14 type sights. But remember, pay attention to the rifle cant too. Tilting will throw your shots off big time even if the hold is perfect.

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You will enjoy those targets. They are made for the M14 type sights. But remember, pay attention to the rifle cant too. Tilting will throw your shots off big time even if the hold is perfect.
My bipod has a cant feature which is good but it doesn't have a lock or detent at the horizontal position so I'm dependent on my eyes to make sure there's no tilt. Maybe all bipods are like this but it would be nice if they had a small level built in to them like my Caldwell front rest does.

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I just ran into the same problem as OP a couple of days ago during my first range trip with my new M1A Loaded. At 50 yards I could see decently well but at 100 yards I felt like I was shooting blind. Funny thing is that can see and shoot much better with my M1 Garand at 100. I actually thought the M1A might even be better due to the smaller NM rear aperture but it wasn't so.
I've spent a good part of today studying the various scope options and was just getting ready to pull the trigger on one when I ran across this thread so I think I'll try the SR-1 target with a 6 o'clock hold before I jump into an optic. I'd much rather shoot with the irons.
Thanks for the help guys.
Might be interesting to try out the standard mil-spec rear sight instead of the National Match rear sight to see if I like that better.Maybe I will just keep an eye out in the PX to see if I can find one for sale.

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