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Old May 7th, 2017, 04:25 AM   #1
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Polytech's more reliable than Springfield?

http://www.armslist.com/posts/622698...s---new-in-box

Please check out this post on Armslist in Ohio.

He makes a statement, "An independent review done back in the early 90's between the 3 companies selling M1A's - Polytech was the only rifle to complete the test without an incident. Springfield finish LAST - with a function failure after only 500 rounds and Armscorp had firing pin problems with punctured primers. If you do not try and jew me down on the price, I'll make you a copy of the article / test - it's a nice read. "

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Old May 7th, 2017, 04:56 AM   #2
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Did a quick search for stated article when I first saw this weeks back posted by someone else I believe, but using same spiel ; didn't turn up anything I'll waste some time today.

Found this pay to play article from 2010 Fulton vs Poly (upgraded to mostly G.I.) vs Springer: https://www.gun-tests.com/issues/22_...es-5845-1.html
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Old May 7th, 2017, 05:01 AM   #3
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Well, it was either Guns and Ammo or American Rifleman, not sure which back in the early 90's had an article just the opposite. The Poly lasted only some 700+ rnds. and lost it's headspace due to soft bolt(set back) if I remember correctly. The SAI went on and on for something like 2000 rnds. and no failures. Reason I remember this, local fellow who wrote the outdoor column for local newspaper asked me to meet him at range to help familiarize him with his new M1A for he had attended a match and knew I was shooting one at the time. He was not what I would call a serious shooter, but just enjoyed firearms of all types and his primary concern was if the rifle was of quality and how to maintain it. I told him that mine was well used and so far had not given me any problems after more than 3000 rounds down the barrel and it was losing it's accuracy but that was to be expected. I brought my GC tool, drill bits, 3/8" wrench, Dewey rod, Hoppes, patches, etc. with me and after shooting his rifle was going to show him how to clean the rifle and when I told him about taking out the GC plug he told me that SAI had told him to just send the rifle back when it needed cleaning??? I looked at him in disbelief and told him I had never heard of such a suggestion but he went on to tell me that it would cost $75.00!! If, and that is a big if, they actually told him that shame on them, but I seriously think he misunderstood what they had told him. He would not let me do any cleaning steps at all and said that he would send it back "someday." Never heard from him again so hope it worked out for him. I'll do a search for the article and if I can find it will pass it on for your reading enjoyment.

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It is all up to the RNG gods. Your rifle may go 1 round or 100,000 rounds without failure. Doesn't matter what it is. I can say however that I love my polytechs. I have a real nice one and a ugly workhorse that goes everywhere with me as well as an even uglier norinco that will get cerekoted when I feel like it.

I have had no problems with reliability on any of my M14's and love them all.

The external quality on a polytech or norinco isn't as nice as an M1A. Which in the end doesn't matter imo function over beauty. Also the Chinese stocks are simply put, TERRIBLE ugly monsters made of a weird wood that isn't walnut or birch. And they arnt as tight fit overall. However a nice USGI stock, handguard, and shimming fix that quick and easy.

However with negatives aside they have Chrome lined barrels and a forged receiver. And the crap you hear about soft bolts and hardened receiver problems are bull crap. Poly technologies made a few when they first started trying to build them. They sent them to Smith Enterprises for evaluation. Smith told them they were not hardened right and told them how to do it right. Polytech made changes and from there out never did that again. I have a polytech with over 3000 rounds through it, Another one with less than 300, and a norinco that looks like it was in the entire Vietnam conflict....5 times, I have no idea how many rounds are through it from me or the previous owner/owners but definitely over 5000 rounds. No problems at all with any of them.

Personally I wouldn't spend that much on a polytech. It is worth that price nowadays being unfired. But to me polytechs due to them not being as pretty as other brands are the perfect truck gun, 3 gun rifle, and training rifle. Just shoot the crap out of it and dog it around. Which would make more sense to me to get a used one for less. Just my opinion.

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Personally, I have never had a problem with any M14 type. Overall these are very relable rifles in my experience. Most of mine are SAI five line receivers with USGI parts. Some are LRB and I have owned others in the past. I also do not put any stock in a forged receiver being better than cast. Theoretically, maybe, but in the real world neither is going to let you down. Just my 2 cents worth...

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More reliable?
As a guy who has worked on quite a few Chinese M14 rifles, AND also a few Springfield M1As, AND a few dozen GENUINE US GI surplus M14s, my experiences lead me to the opinion that BOTH of the CLONE brands can and often do have issues that can negatively effect reliability.

Neither CLONE brand is as reliable as a GENUINE M14, and neither CLONE beand is "more" reliable than the other.

The individual CLONE brand examples may exhibit various common ( and well documented) deficiencies that are usually fixed, simply and inexpensively, by the replacement of some defective parts with good ol' US GI parts.
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Old May 7th, 2017, 06:32 AM   #7
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JMHO....I don`t think you can make that kind of blanket comparison. I know shooters who have had SAI rifles with no issues. I have chicom rifles that have been fitted with USGI parts and have run flawlessly and I have an SAI rifle that I have had issues with. I am sure you could find cases out there that are the exact opposite. I guess you would have to go on a case by case basis.

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What kind of warranty comes with a used poly on armslist? SAI has a lifetime warranty and you can buy a SAI for that.

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I seriously just now won this on gunbroker I wasn't planning on winning. I just put a bid in and expected to lose. I get an email of my victory.....my Bula M14 got set back another 2 weeks now. My first polytech with a 18 inch barrel. You people are a bad influence on me.


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The only thing the Chinese excel over the U.S. in making is......egg rolls, roast pork lo mein, Mongolian beef...

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I seriously just now won this on gunbroker I wasn't planning on winning. I just put a bid in and expected to lose. I get an email of my victory.....my Bula M14 got set back another 2 weeks now. My first polytech with a 18 inch barrel. You people are a bad influence on me.

I have read about them but that is the first one I have seen with a short barrel. Please let us know how it performs.

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Old May 7th, 2017, 07:14 AM   #12
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ALL of my M-14's were Polytechs....

Until BULA came along, with forged receivers, at a fair price point!

I won't mention the other commercial M-14's, I tried and didn't like!

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The only thing the Chinese excel over the U.S. in making is......egg rolls, roast pork lo mein, Mongolian beef...
And, probably that computer you're typing on . . . or your mobile phone . . .

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The comparison article I remember between an SAI and Chinese M14 was a disaster for the Chinese rifle. Don't remember what mag or the date but the SAI was still running long after the Chinese model bit the dust, which was soon after the test started. I know they had forged receivers etc. Never had any interest in them at all.

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Wish I had the software to enlarge and clear the pic in his ad. Looks like he included the article in the box pic.
Contacted him and ask for a clear pic of the article. We'll see.

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