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Old May 18th, 2017, 01:05 AM   #31
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Back about 20 yrs ago when all this BS was going on about the chicoms being absolute Junk and only an idiot would buy anything except a sprungfeld - I made the following challenge:
Lets have a shoot off, your Wonderful sprugfeld against my Polytech or Norinco (I have both). We will shoot till one rifle no longer functions reliably or is not safe to shoot.
The looser pays the winners ammo costs and travel expenses to come to the shoot and gives him his rifle IF he wants it.
All of the sprungfeld faithful refused to accept my challenge!!! That is what I call absolute faith in your equipment!!!
Or maby just a really Big Mouth!
Oh and just in case you were not around in those days there were several cases of sprungfelds blowing up or having other similar problems. I made the challenge to the sprungfeld bunch - find me any report of similar problems with the chicoms. NO one ever did.
These challenges were made on at least 3 different gun boards on the internet.
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Old May 18th, 2017, 02:43 AM   #32
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From a reliability factor alone, one should consider that most of the Chinese M-14 rifles were produced with NATO chambers similar to USGI and therefore would, generally speaking, have less problems with various ammo.
The Springfields on the other hand were for the most part very tight headspaced rifles at +- 1.631 with a .308 chamber.
Both manufactured weapons have had their pros and cons. There are known benefits to both with the addition of quality USGI parts.
Were I to be headed into a situation where I might have to rely on either one to save my life, I would no doubt choose a Poly or Norinco over a Springfield.
Thank goodness, today with Bula Defense Systems and LRB producing top shelf rifles, we are no longer left with having to make a decision between Springfield or the Chinese participants.

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Old May 18th, 2017, 03:25 AM   #33
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From my own experience with a few Poly's, I can say they are good rifles, especially if you Americanize them a bit with some USGI parts or equivalent commercial parts.

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Sounds right to me I've own 3 polytechs and one norinco and all shot better than my old M1A as far as fit function & reliable I agree as far accuracy that all depends on the shooter

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http://www.armslist.com/posts/622698...s---new-in-box

Please check out this post on Armslist in Ohio.

He makes a statement, "An independent review done back in the early 90's between the 3 companies selling M1A's - Polytech was the only rifle to complete the test without an incident. Springfield finish LAST - with a function failure after only 500 rounds and Armscorp had firing pin problems with punctured primers. If you do not try and jew me down on the price, I'll make you a copy of the article / test - it's a nice read. "

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Old May 19th, 2017, 08:02 AM   #35
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Well, it was either Guns and Ammo or American Rifleman, not sure which back in the early 90's had an article just the opposite. .
It was the "GUNS" magazine. I used to have the mag with this article and even recall where purchased. The the Chinese M1A had headspace that measure unsafe at the start of the 3000 round rapid fire/cold water immersion test. The SA made it through the test with a damaged gas spindle and cooked handguard and stock. The Chinese rifle quit firing after about 1000 rounds.

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Old May 19th, 2017, 08:22 AM   #36
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You really can't state a blanket opinion based on the test sample size of one of each.

I only own one M1A. It will be 40 years old in a year or so. I have no clue how many rounds I've put through it. For almost 30 years it was my one and only go to rifle. Plinking, long range plinking/target practice and deer hunting. And it spent a few evenings/nights in the woods with me waiting on some deer poachers the stinking game warden was either friends with or afraid of (or maybe just to lazy to stay out late) to drive by in that old jeep - so I could find out if a "7.62 FMJ" would put holes in an engine block at 150 to 200 yds. I figured having to walk a few miles out of the woods late at night and have their jeep towed out to have the engine replaced might make them think twice next time. And no, they never showed up any evening/night I was down there waiting on them.

Anyway, in all those years, with all those rounds I've only bought two replacement parts for it. An op rod - which I broke using 180 grain match bullets and IMR4350 powder (man, those were the best 600 yd. groups I've ever shot) and a couple years ago I finally put a new op rod spring in it.

Other issues - the front sight screw finally worked loose about 8 years ago while at the range one day, but that was easy to fix, that time the slick lube contributed to the extractor/spring popping out, and that's about all I can remember.

So, my one sample has just been amazing, in my opinion.

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Old May 19th, 2017, 02:43 PM   #37
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I love all M14's equal. Whether they are made in the USA, China, Taiwan, or other places. Except for that Chinese M14 that takes AK magazines and ammo. That is definitely my least favorite M14 and deserves to be purified.

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I have had an AR fanboy tell me my M1A receiver is a cast pot metal piece of crap.
I'm assuming you laughed...

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I'm assuming you laughed...
It was a long argument that went off and on for a month with some guy on youtube about how the AR overshadows the M14 and that the M14 is obsolete. He eventually gave up.

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From my own experience with a few Poly's, I can say they are good rifles, especially if you Americanize them a bit with some USGI parts or equivalent commercial parts.
It disappoints me that I can say the same thing about current Springfield Armory, Inc. M1As. I think the only domestic part on a new M1A is probably the box it came in and the Boyd's stock. I'm not sure about the box.

If all of a sudden boats from China stopped bringing shoes and boots to the United States, within a few months a significant portion of our population would be walking around in bare feet.

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It disappoints me that I can say the same thing about current Springfield Armory, Inc. M1As. I think the only domestic part on a new M1A is probably the box it came in and the Boyd's stock. I'm not sure about the box.

If all of a sudden boats from China stopped bringing shoes and boots to the United States, within a few months a significant portion of our population would be walking around in bare feet.
Not true.

A lot of them come from Vietnam, Indonesia, The Philippines . . .

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"If you do not try and jew me down on the price"

Who says THAT?

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The only thing the Chinese excel over the U.S. in making is......egg rolls, roast pork lo mein, Mongolian beef...
Not to mention roast duck, ma po tofu, braised beef ribs with mushrooms, stewed soy sauce chicken, chili salted prawns, blacks bean and scallion clams...I'm hungry now.

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Talking No Chinese M14s for this old man.............

I once got on the forged receiver/anti SAI bandwagon back in the 1990s and bought a stock ChiCom rifle. The stock sucked and was made from a wood I had never seen so I replaced it with a USGI one.

I then "Americanized" it with a bolt conversion and trigger parts that would fit. The barrel and op rod were of a good quality. After all the hoopla of how superior it was supposed to be it never shot close to the accuracy of my two other all USGI parts SAI M14s I owned. I experimented with different loads etc. but it never was in the race as my best/ most accurate M14. It never had any problems with function but the SAIs never did either, it just never shot as good.

I never had the chance to blow thru any trials by shooting thousands of rounds thru any of them, maybe 200 each during this time.

Needless to say, I sold her with zero regrets. I will stick to American made firearms when I have the choice.

Also for the record I will put my SAI M14s up against anyones ChiCom rifles in any situation.

The last statement of the Armslist article about "Jewing" someone down not only pisses me off but is obscene at best. My wife is Jewish and her late father Sgt. Paul Spiegel was a decorated hero in the U.S. Army starting from Normandy, Battle of the Bulge and all the way to Germany to finish it up and then was training for the Jap invasion that never came.

I would have loved to see Paul confront that fool face to face after he made that crack. He would have definately been "Jewed" down after that encounter.


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Old May 20th, 2017, 01:28 PM   #45
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I got no beef against Chinese M14s. I know a guy who works hard and buys what he can afford. He likes M14s and jumped at the chance to buy a Polytech after he got out of the service. He's satisfied with it.

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