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Old May 7th, 2017, 09:09 AM   #16
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I remember an article in IIRC Gun Test magazine where they pitted an M1A versus a Norinco M14S in a torture test, checking headspace on each after a few hundred rounds. The Norinco with the soft bolt did indeed grow headspace and in the end they showed a photo of the Norinco dumped in a trash barrel captioned that this is where it belonged, as it was dangerous and unsafe to fire out of the box.

You could read between the lines and tell the author was out to trash the Chinese M14's no matter what the results were, but in all fairness the Chinese had to know about the soft bolts and the article was written before folks knew a GI bolt was the fix.

Buddy of mine had a Polytech that he had the bolt replaced, smith spent a boatload of time lapping it in so the lugs mated perfectly. I wish his widow had let me know she was selling his rifles as I'd have given her far more than what she sold them for :(

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Old May 7th, 2017, 09:16 AM   #17
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Wish I had the software to enlarge and clear the pic in his ad. Looks like he included the article in the box pic.
Contacted him and ask for a clear pic of the article. We'll see.
Headline looks like "Modern Day M14 rifles, Poly tech, Springfield, armscorp".

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Old May 7th, 2017, 09:52 AM   #18
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I can't wait for someone to look at my M1A and tell me what a POS it is.

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Old May 7th, 2017, 10:26 AM   #19
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Check Fulton Armory's web site. They had a informative page on Polytech and Norinco M14s. SAI also did a pamphlet that compared the Polys and Norinco M14s to the SAI M1As. It used to come with new M1As. Then there is the Guns magazine article from May 1994. It was a torture test between a SAI M1A and a Polytech. Lastly there is the GUN TESTS August 1994 issue. They did a comparison between SAI M1A, Armscorp M14 and Poly Tech M14 . Interesting reading.

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Old May 7th, 2017, 10:49 AM   #20
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Neither CLONE brand is as reliable as a GENUINE M14, and neither CLONE beand is "more" reliable than the other.

The individual CLONE brand examples may exhibit various common ( and well documented) deficiencies that are usually fixed, simply and inexpensively, by the replacement of some defective parts with good ol' US GI parts.
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Given that both are mass produced as opposed to carefully checked, and fitted by an armorer (or so I understand), this makes a lot of sense.

I would expect, and it seems to be consistent with others' experiences, that what you get will be the result of a roll of the dice. You might get a real shooter that works great indefinitely with care, or you might get something out of the box that... At least the SAI has a good warranty.

Regardless, I would also expect that if you took either, and sent it to a gunsmith or armorer experienced with the platform, they could check it out, swap as necessary in historically weak points, and get you back something pretty darn awesome.

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And, probably that computer you're typing on . . . or your mobile phone . . .
You're right there but let's not forget just some of the reasons why they are made in China.
http://ifixit.org/blog/1856/why-the-...made-in-china/

Springfield comes with a lifetime warranty and the company is renowned and respected for honoring that warranty because they use quality parts and assembled to exacting standards. Try and get Chinese m14 copy repaired free of charge in Beijing, that tells me all I need to know.
China is now making counterfeit Ferrari's, they copy products, do it poorly and sell cheaply, that's what they do.

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I can't wait for someone to look at my M1A and tell me what a POS it is.
I have had an AR fanboy tell me my M1A receiver is a cast pot metal piece of crap.

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Old May 7th, 2017, 01:24 PM   #23
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i prefer shopping american.easier parts issues.

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Old May 7th, 2017, 01:26 PM   #24
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I have had an AR fanboy tell me my M1A receiver is a cast pot metal piece of crap.
You don't even have to tell me... it was someone on the internet. Funny how I can go through real life and never meet these people anywhere, but I see them all the time on the internet. The first time I see that kind of behavior, I've figured out everything I need to know about their character - they aren't anyone I want to discuss anything with and they aren't worth the effort to argue with. That's real life.

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Also that was during the time they were trying to get rid of the opposition. Kind of hard to compete with a rifle for a fraction of the cost. I can guarantee Springfield armory and Fulton Armory had their fingers in the import ban for this vary reason.

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Also that was during the time they were trying to get rid of the opposition. Kind of hard to compete with a rifle for a fraction of the cost. I can guarantee Springfield armory and Fulton Armory had their fingers in the import ban for this vary reason.
Ehh, I doubt Fulton did. They didn't really have a dog in this fight as this was long before they started marketing their own rifles and everything they built was on M1A receivers.

Springfield? I have no doubt Reese was pumping every gun writer for hit pieces on the Chinese M14's like (literally) no tomorrow.

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Old May 15th, 2017, 08:15 PM   #29
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Back to answer the OP, it depends on who owns the rifle. You get out what you put in.

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Back about 20 yrs ago when all this BS was going on about the chicoms being absolute Junk and only an idiot would buy anything except a sprungfeld - I made the following challenge:
Lets have a shoot off, your Wonderful sprugfeld against my Polytech or Norinco (I have both). We will shoot till one rifle no longer functions reliably or is not safe to shoot.
The looser pays the winners ammo costs and travel expenses to come to the shoot and gives him his rifle IF he wants it.
All of the sprungfeld faithful refused to accept my challenge!!! That is what I call absolute faith in your equipment!!!
Or maby just a really Big Mouth!
Oh and just in case you were not around in those days there were several cases of sprungfelds blowing up or having other similar problems. I made the challenge to the sprungfeld bunch - find me any report of similar problems with the chicoms. NO one ever did.
These challenges were made on at least 3 different gun boards on the internet.
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