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Old April 26th, 2017, 09:01 AM   #1
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In the "real" world which stock could produce better accuracy?

Which stock has the potential to produce better accuracy with my loaded M1a, an Archangel stock or a bedded Big Red birch stock?

Assuming all other variables are thrown out.

I have both stocks but the Big Red is not bedded yet. I'm wondering if it would be worth the money to bed this or just stick with the Archangel?

I would be using the rifle for sniper matches at Thunder Valley Precision in central Ohio.

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Old April 26th, 2017, 09:03 AM   #2
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Likely the bedded birch would be more accurate.

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Old April 26th, 2017, 09:09 AM   #3
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A lot of it depends on which style stock YOU can shoot more accurately. It takes more skill to shoot a traditional stock accurately than the modern ones.

A bedded stock is only accurate if done properly.

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As far as stocks go, the McMillan properly glass bedded has proven to be the best contributor to accuracy. This is real world rather than the "perfect world".

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Old April 26th, 2017, 05:40 PM   #5
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The Archangel is a drop-in deal, right? And has some way to adjust barrel tension or pressure? That means the Archangel has NOT been made to fit YOUR particular receiver, barrel, etc. But it does have a way to 'tune' it w/o doing actual gunsmithing - test, adjust, test, until you decide to stop.

With a custom bedded stock, you're depending on the skill of the person doing the work to get it right. In the case of someone with a good reputation for bedding, it will be a good bedding job of attaching your receiver, barrel, etc. to a good stock.

And as Kurt mentioned, if YOU can shoot better with one of them than the other, then that will probably give better accuracy for you.

A good clue would be what style stock are the winners using for the event.

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Old April 26th, 2017, 05:47 PM   #6
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Bedded big red for the win!

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As far as stocks go, the McMillan properly glass bedded has proven to be the best contributor to accuracy. This is real world rather than the "perfect world".
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Old April 26th, 2017, 06:15 PM   #8
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I depends on how you plan to shoot.

The big red would probably be stiffer on the fore end so if you are slinging up, that can a have an effect. From what I hear about the archangels, they are nice and tight (assuming the install went correctly), so if you shooting from a bench or off a bipod, the better ergonomics might aid you in more than a stiff fore end.

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I'm curious. How do they compare now without the Big Red being bedded?

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Old April 27th, 2017, 04:54 AM   #11
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I'm curious. How do they compare now without the Big Red being bedded?
I don't have a baseline for the big red yet. Just picked it up from the PX a few weeks ago and spent sometime refinishing it.

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I don't have a baseline for the big red yet. Just picked it up from the PX a few weeks ago and spent sometime refinishing it.

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Look at the posted results of the recent M14 100 yd challenge. You do not see any Archangel.stocks listed there.

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I have an Archangel, and I'm fine with it, though I also accept it for what it is, a relatively cheap stock that allows onboard access to ergonomic features.

The company claims that it is 'kinda sorta' bedded, in that it's really freaking tight.

(Edit: I remembered now that they claim that it will conform somewhat after you let the rifle heat cycle a time or three. I don't know how true or untrue this is, since I put it on awhile back, and it's stayed in it since then, but it was fun to wipe it down with Ballistol, run a bunch of rounds through it, and watch the smoke rise off the barrel!)

I can vouch for that, at least in terms of achieving lockup. It is snug. A lot of people resort to removing material in order to get the receiver/trigger to finally close. The directions said not to do this, if at all possible, and in most cases it shouldn't be necessary.

I watched the video, and wasn't able to do it with standard methods, so I got semi-creative.

http://m14forum.com/users/muppetmeat...1006-small.jpg

If I wanted to get a 'good' stock, I'd listen to these guys and get something a little more serious, actually bedded, or a real chassis kind of thing (I don't think you can tune the Archangel, but if somebody knows how, let me know please ), but for the money, I can't complain. It works fine.

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Of the two big red.

As a bedded rifle a McMillan stock would be gold. Chassis your looking at a JAE.

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