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Old April 18th, 2017, 05:31 PM   #1
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Well, I couldn't see while I was signed out, and have no clue why it's in the Geedunk section, but there is a feeler thread out for the new receivers. Looks like we are gonna have some more builds going on.

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Old April 18th, 2017, 06:34 PM   #2
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These are Rip Bowen's receivers, and he is putting a feeler out for the first lot.

Rip has been involved in some way or other with the development of various people's receivers, either direct work, or just advice as they were setting up their own. I suspect some of the advice was even unwanted :-) ...

Bottom line is that I think Rip knows more about making an M14 receiver than just about anyone else out there, and these are the ones he finally gets to do it 'his way'. I'll sign up for one of the first lot.

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Old April 18th, 2017, 06:35 PM   #3
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We had to get permission and that is where they said we had to put it.

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Well, I couldn't see while I was signed out, and have no clue why it's in the Geedunk section, but there is a feeler thread out for the new receivers. Looks like we are gonna have some more builds going on.

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Old April 19th, 2017, 06:03 AM   #4
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Forged Bowen Receivers

Guys this receiver represents many years of planning, with some of the best minds in the industry contributing their help in this endeavor. This project is very important to Mr.Rick Bowen(RIP), I am sure it will be of the highest quality in terms of fit, finish, and in accordance with military spec guidelines for the M14 receiver.

Now is the opportunity to purchase this receiver at a price point which has no competition, these are not seconds being offered at a reduced price but top shelf receivers which offer incredible value.

I have ordered one and will in the future order several more.

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I agree with Ren in all he said,cant wait to get mine,i talked To Rick and i have one set aside,Serial number 14 to be exact,cant wait till its ready.

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I hope you folks thinking about doing that special build take a good look at these receivers, they are going to be first rate.

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Old April 19th, 2017, 01:03 PM   #7
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They sound like they may be on par with the latest generation of Bula Defense receivers that Jeff, one of our sponsors, builds. Also about the same price. Time will tell.

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They sound like they may be on par with the latest generation of Bula Defense receivers that Jeff, one of our sponsors, builds. Also about the same price. Time will tell.
Being new to the game, it will be an uphill battle for sure.
Looking forward to feedback when Rip gets one of his billet forged receivers made.
Never been a fan of cast or billet stuff.
I for one like the fact of grain alignment in an actual hammer or press forged receiver like LRB or Bula Defense make.

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Old April 19th, 2017, 02:09 PM   #9
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I cant forsee any problems as far as strength goes with the billet receivers,for one there never gonna be subjected to the abuse of automatic fire like real M14 rifles,second SAI has produced over 300,000 cast receivers,among the few that failed most were due to other priblems leading to the failure,its known that even USGI receivers have failed,these receivers should be as good as any if not better than others currently offered,im sure Rick is gonna see to it that everything is right before he releases them,this isnt exactly his first venture in the receiver game.

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I cant forsee any problems as far as strength goes with the billet receivers,for one there never gonna be subjected to the abuse of automatic fire like real M14 rifles,second SAI has produced over 300,000 cast receivers,among the few that failed most were due to other priblems leading to the failure,its known that even USGI receivers have failed,these receivers should be as good as any if not better than others currently offered,im sure Rick is gonna see to it that everything is right before he releases them,this isnt exactly his first venture in the receiver game.

I think an open discussion is good for everyone.
Some of us remember Rick when he was first here on the forum and getting his feet wet with the M-14 type rifle. It is so nice to see his dreams, or nightmares coming to fruition.
I understand that this is Rip's first adventure in the receiver game in other than a very limited advisory capacity as with 7.62 mm and GWLA. He deserves credit for making the plunge.
I really do hope he is successful. Rip has been trying for so long to get into the game.

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I really believe the forged billet vs hammer forged as being a non issue. Fulton Armory and SAI. have made hundreds of thousands of receivers without nary a hiccup and they are cast. Just another scar tactic that I don't think will work, folks around here are just too educated when it comes to this M14 platform we love.

Go ahead and build'um Rip!

Like I said before, I'm all in!

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Best wishes to you Rip. I hope you make such a nice receiver at a good price point that it makes the others in the industry nervous. I will probably get one as well.

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I think an open discussion is good for everyone.......
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Okay, I can do open……
This is what passes for supporting someone and standing up for them like you posted on m14br forum, here, and cmp?
……you mean you are supporting me with your statements like these?

"Tripping over his own feet"
"…time to be wary…"
".3 strikes are up…"
"Sounds like another 3rd party shaft to forum members by an untrustworthy seller."
"the pole has always been greased for rip"
"everyone he has been involved with has gone out of business "
"the starter rope always seems to break on rip"
"maybe with some "adult" supervision he can make it this time."
"he has limited knowledge of carpentry..."
"Being new to the game, "
"when Rip gets one of his billet forged receivers made"
"Never been a fan of cast or billet stuff"
"an actual hammer or press forged receiver like LRB or Bula Defense make."
"nightmares coming to fruition"
"this is Rip's first adventure in the receiver game in other than a very limited advisory capacity "
….and dozens of other, all derogatory statements in the past that I don't have enough strength to type them all out or copy and paste.
I'm sure everyone else gets the idea from these few though…..exactly what your idea of supporting someone is.

What I don't get, and will never understand,… is what exactly is your problem with me? What did I ever do to you to deserve you constantly trying to damage my company and reputation? I've never met you, never spoken to you.

You were wrong about my first "M1A" too, wasn't 9 years ago, it was 7.
But M14's,…. another story entirely, ….try 44 years

What's really puzzling and confuses an open minded person like me, is why anyone would deliberately bash my hammer forgings here, calling them billet and alluding to cast….you cannot just grow appendages on a billet, they must be formed under intense pressure from the main body,... they are not glued on there.
BAR forging by Rick Bowen, on Flickr

….like you did on cmp forum and got yourself banned for personal attacks against me,…and not have anything but high praise to write about Bula's forgings here
IMG_20170323_121447_zpseuv3epsr by Rick Bowen, on Flickr
…..When they are nearly identical. Are you a trained metallurgist? Expert? Please tell us all, involved in this open discussion, how you determined that one of these forgings pictured is the bees knees, and the other is more or less junk or undesirable in your opinion?

So, for the record, and to make it absolutely clear and open to all.

My forgings are 100% hammer forged, just the way the original g.i. forgings were done. The outside shape has nothing whatsoever to do with grain alignment in the critical areas such as bolt stop bosses or ears, clip guide appendage, rear sight ears, legs, etc. Those are in place as can clearly be seen. The grain has been beaten into submission and forced to flow where it was designed to flow, and in the proper direction. Locking lugs require lateral grain alignment behind the force going into the lugs.


How do I know that? Because "I do" have a team of expert metallurgist and engineers that tell me the locking lugs would actually be stronger when machined inside the mag well area, rather than stressing the metal by beating it out of the way to save money on tooling and machining time. You won't see any cracks in my receivers above the bolt stop window….nor near the connector lock hole and up through the barrel ring.

For the most discerning of customers that may still have any doubt left, these are Gunworks' leftover hammer forgings….any more complaints? Swipes? Derogatory opinions? Swing away. I will try to answer any concerns anyone may have.

Here they are in my shop. That's right ladies and gents,…. I bought it all, ....and the tooling.
BAR forgings 2 by Rick Bowen, on Flickr

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Here's some of my limited advisory 'stuff' I did for GLA…so the members and readers here can have an open discussion.

I hired the forging facility after months of research, and choosing the right one.
I found the correct steel supplier and lined up purchasing.
I corrected the drawings and drafted with the designers/engineers, the first forging die drawings.
I procured all the parts and parts kits, stocks, etc, to build the rifles from Randy at Treeline.
I hired Jeff Miller at Bula Forge to supply barrels and bolts.
I refinished and parkerized all rifle parts.
I found and hired the heat treating company after months more of diligent searching work and meetings.
I secured the website domains and sent them to Gary at a Taco Bell parking lot on my way to Camp Swift in Texas to go shooting with Nez.
I worked there for eight months before I ever heard the name Charlie.
I made 12 different trips to Theodore fixing machining problems and checking prototypes 'after' Charlie got there.
I found, hired, and worked on the model with Solid Box in Texas, and their sub-contractor over here.
I furnished the company with the blueprints for rec, bolt, barrels,, every piece of the rifle's parts blueprints.
I found and hired the company in Texas to do the 3D model to proof the CAD model we had.
I invented the half minute windage ear design and gave to GLA to use.
I worked with the sub-contractor from Solid Box on the bolt model.
I contacted H.P. White laboratories right as they were being sold and got every single destructive testing procedure lined up and accomplished. From the electron microscope test to destruction testing.
I built the first rifle and test fired it for GLA after they tried to do it without me and failed, then called for help.
I built 7 more early prototypes and test rifles until they were perfected in every regard.
I built the rifle that went to the U.S. Navy for testing at Annapolis for Military Sealift Command.
I spent hundreds of hours online and emailing my contacts in the M14 world to prep the way for sales and marketing and letting everyone know the receivers were coming.

and according to some....I did all of this in one day,….. and merely went down and "looked" at their receivers.

I guess that could be considered .."a very limited advisory capacity"………by an uninformed or insane person,… maybe.

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I stand corrected,in my posting i was under the asumption they were billet forged,i guess Rips posting cleared that up quite nicely.
This news should make the rest of the doubters stand up and take notice,i for one sure hope Rick knocks it out of the park with these receivers,i missed out on the GWLA run but it wont happen this time

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