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This is a discussion on B.A.R Receivers within the The M14 forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; Originally Posted by forceman I stand corrected,in my posting i was under the asumption they were billet forged,i guess Rips posting cleared that up quite ...


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Old April 19th, 2017, 06:37 PM   #16
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I stand corrected,in my posting i was under the asumption they were billet forged,i guess Rips posting cleared that up quite nicely.
This news should make the rest of the doubters stand up and take notice,i for one sure hope Rick knocks ot out of the park with these receivers,i missed out on the GWLA run but it wont happen tbis time

Terry I only mentioned Billet because you did. Now we both know these receivers are well......going to be fantastic!

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I was preparing a response along the line of Rip's but he just couldn't resist to jump in with both feet. I have personal first hand knowledge that what Rip posted is true. I was even involved in some small capacity of what Rip listed and listened in on HOURS of conference calls between those parties. I even help clean up diagrams and prints for Rip to supply to those parties.

I don't understand the animosity that certain members here has for Rip. Well okay he can be a pain and definitely has opinions but don't we all. However, the back-handed trolling comments that are always put forth by the same people and allowed to stand are uncalled for. I am glad to see many of us here support Rip in his new venture. I would hope everyone here wishes one of our own (a M14 platform fanatic) well... Rip is in this venture to make the best M14 receiver for the love of the platform.

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I was preparing a response along the line of Rip's but he just couldn't resist to jump in with both feet. I have personal first hand knowledge that what Rip posted is true. I was even involved in some small capacity of what Rip listed and listened in on HOURS of conference calls between those parties. I even help clean up diagrams and prints for Rip to supply to those parties.

I don't understand the animosity that certain members here has for Rip. Well okay he can be a pain and definitely has opinions but don't we all. However, the back-handed trolling comments that are always put forth by the same people and allowed to stand are uncalled for. I am glad to see many of us here support Rip in his new venture. I would hope everyone here wishes one of our own (a M14 platform fanatic) well... Rip is in this venture to make the best M14 receiver for the love of the platform.

Well said. This is why I want several of his receivers!!!

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Me to,i cant wait for these to hit tbe market

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Old April 20th, 2017, 02:42 AM   #20
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Here's some of my limited advisory 'stuff' I did for GLA…so the members and readers here can have an open discussion.

I hired the forging facility after months of research, and choosing the right one.
I found the correct steel supplier and lined up purchasing.
I corrected the drawings and drafted with the designers/engineers, the first forging die drawings.
I procured all the parts and parts kits, stocks, etc, to build the rifles from Randy at Treeline.
I hired Jeff Miller at Bula Forge to supply barrels and bolts.
I refinished and parkerized all rifle parts.
I found and hired the heat treating company after months more of diligent searching work and meetings.
I secured the website domains and sent them to Gary at a Taco Bell parking lot on my way to Camp Swift in Texas to go shooting with Nez.
I worked there for eight months before I ever heard the name Charlie.
I made 12 different trips to Theodore fixing machining problems and checking prototypes 'after' Charlie got there.
I found, hired, and worked on the model with Solid Box in Texas, and their sub-contractor over here.
I furnished the company with the blueprints for rec, bolt, barrels,, every piece of the rifle's parts blueprints.
I found and hired the company in Texas to do the 3D model to proof the CAD model we had.
I invented the half minute windage ear design and gave to GLA to use.
I worked with the sub-contractor from Solid Box on the bolt model.
I contacted H.P. White laboratories right as they were being sold and got every single destructive testing procedure lined up and accomplished. From the electron microscope test to destruction testing.
I built the first rifle and test fired it for GLA after they tried to do it without me and failed, then called for help.
I built 7 more early prototypes and test rifles until they were perfected in every regard.
I built the rifle that went to the U.S. Navy for testing at Annapolis for Military Sealift Command.
I spent hundreds of hours online and emailing my contacts in the M14 world to prep the way for sales and marketing and letting everyone know the receivers were coming.

and according to some....I did all of this in one day,….. and merely went down and "looked" at their receivers.

I guess that could be considered .."a very limited advisory capacity"………by an uninformed or insane person,… maybe.
Well, glad to see you have been taking notes.
I can only go by what the owner of GWLA posted about your involvement Rick. He did say you were asked to leave.
I do miss your little tats with others here on the forum when you were here in the past.
Your negative comments about pretty much every maker of repro M-14s and their not knowing what they were doing will be remembered for along time.
You mentioned the receiver for the Military Sealift Command.
Do you remember sending a photo of that to me when you were looking for support. Well, I do.
If you tried to understand Yankee humor, you would know that most of my comments over the years have been generated with a great deal of humor and sympathy.

Sorry about this one. When that was made, many agreed. I had no idea you were involved with the selling of kits here at the time. "Sounds like another 3rd party shaft to forum members by an untrustworthy seller". I believe the seller was admonished by staff at the time.



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Well, glad to see you have been taking notes.
When you live, eat, sleep and breathe something for over two years, you don't need to take notes. I know what I did and so do many others, yet you still have to try and belittle me here with this statement.

I can only go by what the owner of GWLA posted about your involvement Rick. He did say you were asked to leave.

Oh, ok, you make judgments on people after hearing only one side of a story ?.... Glad you aren't going to be on any jury hearing a case about me.
The owner of GLA has never posted anything on the internet. That was Charlie telling people a lie. I drove away at 5:30a.m. one morning because they lied to me and changed the deal. They promised me an award receiver of my request, for all that work (wow), and I agreed to build a specific number of rifles for that. Then when I got almost half way, they changed the deal and demanded 19 more rifles. I quit. As I drove away, Charlie was standing at the door begging me to come back, not leave, and wait and talk to Gary Mozingo. I left.


I do miss your little tats with others here on the forum when you were here in the past.

Now you finally admit you like turmoil. So we all know why you do these things now.

Your negative comments about pretty much every maker of repro M-14s and their not knowing what they were doing will be remembered for along time.

I never once wrote that they didn't know what they were doing, I only pointed out where improvement was needed in order to build them correctly and easily. All they have to do is make them like the blueprints, like I did at GLA, and I would have said nothing but praise. But they wouldn't, they all flat out refused to change them, SAI, LRB, all off them, so I did it myself, to make my job as an armorer easy. Understand ?

You mentioned the receiver for the Military Sealift Command.
Do you remember sending a photo of that to me when you were looking for support. Well, I do.

Looking for support? I didn't need nor want your support. Wasn't my company, I just worked there. As I recall it, you initiated first contact and you were the one fishing for information, so I sent the pic or you took it off my photobucket account I left unlocked. Don't know, try to make people believe we are pals. We aren't.

If you tried to understand Yankee humor, you would know that most of my comments over the years have been generated with a great deal of humor and sympathy.

Oh I get it. Your idea of humor is like your idea of support.....they both equal degradation of another....and I don't need any sympathy from you or anyone. What is wrong with you? ....Sympathy ? For What ?


Sorry about this one. When that was made, many agreed.

No, many did not agree, it was "you" as usual, starting the fire....birddogging post that have to do with me and intentionally trying to start a flame and burn anything I have to do with,... to the ground.

I had no idea you were involved with the selling of kits here at the time. "Sounds like another 3rd party shaft to forum members by an untrustworthy seller". I believe the seller was admonished by staff at the time.

No, he was not admonished by the staff. He did nothing wrong. You did. The PX sales thread was taken down because you destroyed it. I guess you didn't want anyone to see that Bula trigger groups had a problem. I wouldn't either if I were you, after speaking so highly of them.
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I want this perfectly understood by all. That is why I once again have to come here and straighten out your ridiculous assertions about me, my company (be careful), and my employees.(be extra careful). You can post all the nonsense and make up things, you don't have to worry, I will not engage you again. I think people here can see the truth now. But I will leave the membership with this pm you sent me....and my response to you......after all the years of you attacking me net wide. (what you call support and humor) and let them decide who is the bigger person.

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Hey Rip,
Are you going to let Tony G. drag you up to Camp Perry this year?
I will be there July 19 - 23 and would like to shake your hand and say howdy.

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Old April 20th, 2017, 07:24 AM   #22
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I have been on this forum for a long while now and have had the opportunity to meet some very interesting people and a few I don't care if I ever meet.

Rick Bowen is one of those rare individuals that lives, eats, and breaths the M14, this is his passion! I have read many of his posts where he tries to help someone with their problem M1A/M14 and at times can give the appearance that he knows it all. This is a rather common trait when speaking with someone that has made his life's mission a particular field of study.

Case in point, several years ago being very naive, I made the comment that my SEI. receivers were in mil spec. Rick was quick to correct me, and rightfully so, though I didn't see it that way at the time. You all have heard that a little knowledge is dangerous, well I had just a little and didn't realize Rick(rip) was that one guy!

I hope we can now move forward and forget these petty distractions and let Rick get on building M14 receivers and M14 rifles.

I also hope that the Moderators will curtail these snide comments(attacks on the person and not the product).

He has my full confidence.

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I've been away for awhile and I haven't had the pleasure of meeting ripsaw but since I've been back I've seen his posts offering advice and help to other members of this forum.

By what other supporters have said and what I have read I truly believe rip has a love and passion for the M14 platform that we all share.

Unfortunately I procrastinated and did not take advantage of the group buy for GWLA receivers but not this time. I'm all in on the potential B.A.R. group buy.

I hope rip's receivers are as good or better than GWLA receivers. It certainly looks like rip is striving for perfection.

In the end the product will speak for itself.

GOOD LUCK rip and B.A.R.

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Great lead-in XM25Ren on this thread. No more Trolling on this subject! Or this thread will be closed and all others opened from members that start to talk down or just need to bellyache about members here (will be deleted and the author is gone!). I just cant say it any more clear members.



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Great lead-in XM25Ren on this thread. No more Trolling on this subject! Or this thread will be closed and all others opened from members that start to talk down or just need to bellyache about members here (will be deleted and the author is gone!). I just cant say it any more clear members.


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As a newby to the M14 world, (I did get to shoot one in 1980 at Ft. Sill), I met Rip through the CMP forum. I purchased a unbuilt 1991 SEI receiver, and had him put together a rifle. He and I both thought it would be a straight forward job,
but it turns out the receiver needed a few of tweeks to make it function properly. Rip kept me informed, working through each issue, and built me a beautiful weapon. He never charged me for the extra work, and even included a light
bedding job, free of charge! My rifle functions flawlessly, shoots MOA, (when I do my job!), and looks amazing!

IMHO, Rip is an excellent gunsmith, and a honest, upstanding individual, and I'm on the list for one of the first BAR receivers....


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I am still new in this neighborhood. I must have missed something from years past.

I thought that the BAR was a little too light to be a machine gun (I am assuming that these will be built as semi-auto only) and too heavy to be a battle rifle.

Not sure I see the attraction, except maybe to fill out a collection of 20th Century small arms.

With respect for all I ask . . .Why?

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I am still new in this neighborhood. I must have missed something from years past.

I thought that the BAR was a little too light to be a machine gun (I am assuming that these will be built as semi-auto only) and too heavy to be a battle rifle.

Not sure I see the attraction, except maybe to fill out a collection of 20th Century small arms.

With respect for all I ask . . .Why?
Your thinking of the BAR, Browning Automatic Rifle, thats not what this is.

B.A.R. stands for Bowen Armory Receiver and it is an M14 receiver built to USGI Specs.

I believe these receivers will set the standard all others are judged by.

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Old April 21st, 2017, 08:37 AM   #28
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I thought to mention that I like the B.A.R. in the ranger diamond best. I know these receivers will be a great addition.

Please keep us updated as to the status of these receivers.

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I thought that the BAR was a little too light to be a machine gun (I am assuming that these will be built as semi-auto only) and too heavy to be a battle rifle.

Not sure I see the attraction, except maybe to fill out a collection of 20th Century small arms.

With respect for all I ask . . .Why?
I think you are touching on what previous posters have implied. This B.A.R. (Bowen Armory) is an M14 clone made as close to original M14 blueprints as RipSaw can make them. It is not a "BAR" (Browning Auto Rifle) clone which a way heavy auto 30-06. That's exactly why some of the guys prefer the Bowen Armory heel stamp instead of B.A.R.

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There is also another potential area of confusion to some. The commercial "Browning Automatic Rifle" semi-auto (self-loading) hunting rifle version is also known as a "BAR". People not familiar with military arms think of this piece when the initials "BAR" come up. I've had younger folks at gun shows ask about the difference. "Yes, there are two entirely different legitimate Browning "BAR's"". And now there will be a third "BAR". :-)

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