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Old April 17th, 2017, 10:51 AM   #31
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Old April 17th, 2017, 11:27 AM   #32
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Ok I got the information out of a video on youtube in which one guy is reviewing ARMS vs. Sadlak. No experience so I appreciate yours.
Still not really figured out which combination will work best for me? Which quick detach rings can you guys recommend? Maybe the ARMS with some QD rings will also work for me depends on price of the whole setup. ARMS mounts are available used now and then on egun.
Maybe someone with more experience can chime in, but are QD rings better at holding zero than a Bassett mount itself? IMO if you're going to remove the scope, why not get a removable mount? I have permanent rings attached to my Bassett and when I want to shoot irons I take the whole thing off rather than keeping a mount on that's in my vision with irons.

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Old April 18th, 2017, 08:14 AM   #33
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Maybe someone with more experience can chime in, but are QD rings better at holding zero than a Bassett mount itself? IMO if you're going to remove the scope, why not get a removable mount? I have permanent rings attached to my Bassett and when I want to shoot irons I take the whole thing off rather than keeping a mount on that's in my vision with irons.
Thats the point. Now I have to decide which way to go. Bassett Mount with fix rings or ARMS with QD rings. Would be nice if you guys would share your experince which setup is more consistent. Also I have to consider which mount is available here in Germany. Just bought an Jewell Trigger for my Remington 700 on an US shop. My brother who is living in the US should bring it to Germany on his next visit and know he was told that he is not allowed to export because he has no permission. Thanks to ITAR I will not buy on US shops again

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Old April 18th, 2017, 08:41 AM   #34
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Thats the point. Now I have to decide which way to go. Bassett Mount with fix rings or ARMS with QD rings. Would be nice if you guys would share your experince which setup is more consistent. Also I have to consider which mount is available here in Germany. Just bought an Jewell Trigger for my Remington 700 on an US shop. My brother who is living in the US should bring it to Germany on his next visit and know he was told that he is not allowed to export because he has no permission. Thanks to ITAR I will not buy on US shops again
The problem isn't ITAR but US Customs. Every now and then they open a box and if it's remotely gun-related you can usually kiss it goodbye whether or not it is an ITAR restricted item.

To answer your question I have a basset and it seems to mostly retain zero when re-attached with the same torque value. An ARMS mount that never leaves the rifle would then be dependent on the rings holding your zero, if you are really picky you could use standard rings and then take a little torque wrench to the range.

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Old April 18th, 2017, 09:09 AM   #35
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I am very upset right know because I am not shure that they will actually ship to Germany and whether or not the delivery will really arrive. Also shipping charge and fees included the Bassett mount is more than 220,00 € for me. At this price I can wait for an used ARMS mount on egun. They are sold there about 180,00 € ordinary every now and then.
By the way, there is a Springfield Armory 4th generation mount on egun. Are open sights usable with this mount? Maybe I should go for this with some QD rings. Any experience?

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Old April 18th, 2017, 12:35 PM   #36
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By the way, there is a Springfield Armory 4th generation mount on egun. Are open sights usable with this mount? Maybe I should go for this with some QD rings. Any experience?
Yes, see post #16. Iron sights line of sight is under the scope base, so you don't need to remove the scope to use them.

The Voodoo cheek riser in post #24 is what I use to use the scope.

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Thats the point. Now I have to decide which way to go. Bassett Mount with fix rings or ARMS with QD rings. Would be nice if you guys would share your experince which setup is more consistent. Also I have to consider which mount is available here in Germany. Just bought an Jewell Trigger for my Remington 700 on an US shop. My brother who is living in the US should bring it to Germany on his next visit and know he was told that he is not allowed to export because he has no permission. Thanks to ITAR I will not buy on US shops again
As per 22 CFR 123.17, He can bring in his luggage without need of any ITAR export permit any rifle part (other than a barrel, frame, etc) that does not have a wholesale price over $100. I can assure you that German customs won't check or care if he brings a mount in

Thus, the question is what is the wholesale pricenof an ARMS 18 mount. Maybe ARMS will send you an email stating whether this mount is under $100 wholesale or not. That is enough to cover him on the US end.

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One point you should consider is that if you use a cheek riser it is difficult to get your line of sight down far enough to use the irons. Hopefully you won't be in a situation like that, but it is something to think about.

I avoid scopes with this platform. I only have one rifle that is scoped.

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One point you should consider is that if you use a cheek riser it is difficult to get your line of sight down far enough to use the irons. Hopefully you won't be in a situation like that, but it is something to think about.
A valid point, if you've installed a permanent or hard to remove riser; another point to consider is removing the scope before shooting with irons (mount can remain) so you don't gouge your scalp with the scope's eyepiece.

I have the Fulton Brookfield-type DMR scope mount on mine. It's the same design as Sadlak's, but is made of steel instead of titanium. The steel is the same steel used for the M1A's receiver, so they expand at the same rate when heated, which supposedly maintains sighting integrity and doesn't allow it to shift.

http://www.fulton-armory.com/scopemo...mrthebest.aspx

As for the cheek riser, get one that straps in place, or laces on; I made mine so I could guarantee the proper height and cheek position:
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Old April 19th, 2017, 01:12 AM   #40
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Maybe someone with more experience can chime in, but are QD rings better at holding zero than a Bassett mount itself? IMO if you're going to remove the scope, why not get a removable mount? I have permanent rings attached to my Bassett and when I want to shoot irons I take the whole thing off rather than keeping a mount on that's in my vision with irons.
My ARMS #22 QD rings return to zero when reattaching the scope. I like my setup because I can pull the scope and shoot with the irons, reattach the scope in about 12 seconds, and shoot with the glass. I am not taking this weapon into combat so I have the time to do all that

I opted for the ARMS #18 mount because it allows me a cheek weld without a riser

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