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Old April 15th, 2017, 05:39 PM   #16
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Springfield Gen4 is high enough for iron sights to see under the scope mount. Haven't counted how many clicks up before the scope base obstructs the view, but I'd be wanting to use a scope at that distance anyway. In my opinion this setup isn't as elegant as the bases like ARMS & Sadlak that fit under the iron sight line of sight, but you don't have to remove the scope or base to use the irons.

Since these pics were taken I've added a Voodoo Tactical nylon/velcro strap on cheekrest to make the scope useable. Have to remove the cheekrest to use the irons.



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Old April 16th, 2017, 01:11 AM   #17
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Now I have to consider which height I am going to buy. Actually I don't use scope and irons the same time rather use them consecutively in competition. So whats your experience on the Bassett mounts? Do they hold zero? If so maybe I should get the low one if its possible to take the mount on after shooting with iron sights and still hold zero? As I said I'll shoot them in competition without the possibility sighting it in after put on the mount again.

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As JerryS has shown in his picture, if you are prepared to remove your scope when using the iron sights, You don't need a high mount. I don't know what your budget is, but Spuhr makes a quick detachable one piece scope mount, and they are based in Sweden. They have a reputation for being very high quality, and expensive!

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Now I have to consider which height I am going to buy. Actually I don't use scope and irons the same time rather use them consecutively in competition. So whats your experience on the Bassett mounts? Do they hold zero? If so maybe I should get the low one if its possible to take the mount on after shooting with iron sights and still hold zero? As I said I'll shoot them in competition without the possibility sighting it in after put on the mount again.
The method for correctly torquing the Bassett is pretty foolproof if you do it right. It is all about repeatability. Mine has held zero, but I'm not a match shooter. You will still need a cheek riser which will make irons hard to use anyway which is why I went with a quick detach rather than a see through

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Now I have to consider which height I am going to buy. Actually I don't use scope and irons the same time rather use them consecutively in competition. So whats your experience on the Bassett mounts? Do they hold zero? If so maybe I should get the low one if its possible to take the mount on after shooting with iron sights and still hold zero? As I said I'll shoot them in competition without the possibility sighting it in after put on the mount again.
With this statement you made the recommendation easy. Get the Basset low mount. On and off quickly, returns to zero. It would also not require you to
modify your rifle to use. If your matches require a no modified profile this is very important.

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Now I have to consider which height I am going to buy. Actually I don't use scope and irons the same time rather use them consecutively in competition. So whats your experience on the Bassett mounts? Do they hold zero? If so maybe I should get the low one if its possible to take the mount on after shooting with iron sights and still hold zero? As I said I'll shoot them in competition without the possibility sighting it in after put on the mount again.
IMHO you could get a mount like the ARMS with quick release rings and then use iron sights or get the basset and then take it on and off.

What sort of competition are you doing? Is this a 3 gun sort of thing?

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IMHO you could get a mount like the ARMS with quick release rings and then use iron sights or get the basset and then take it on and off.

What sort of competition are you doing? Is this a 3 gun sort of thing?
Nothing like that. It is more a kind of precision shooting at 100/300 m fix range. As far as I know 3 gun is not legal in Germany. There is IPSC also with shotguns but no 3 gun competition.
I want to shoot the 100m open sight match first and then put on the scope to shoot at 300m with scope or in reverse order. Sometimes I have no influence on the sucession. Generally I have not the oportunity to zero the rifle because both competitions are usually on the same day on the same range. So it is esential that the mount will hold zero. Most matches I only got 5 to 10 min for test shots. If the Bassett will hold zero reliable I would go with the low one because my scope objective is only 42 mm.

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IMHO you could get a mount like the ARMS with quick release rings and then use iron sights or get the basset and then take it on and off.

What sort of competition are you doing? Is this a 3 gun sort of thing?
I am not so enthusiastic about the ARMS because of the fact the mount/scope is not parallel.

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Old April 16th, 2017, 12:43 PM   #24
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I use the Basset high mount with a Voodoo-Ambi cheek riser. Zero holds well. I shoot two ways with Basset/Scope mounted:
1. no riser and use chin weld for scope.
2. riser then rotate it to use iron sights.
Both quick adjustments. It works for me.



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I have a basset high mount works great and a sei with rhe channel and my scope with a larue qd mount i like this set up a little better quicker to add / remove the scope and a really solid steel mount

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I am not so enthusiastic about the ARMS because of the fact the mount/scope is not parallel.
Don't know where you got this info, but it is not accurate.
Only time there is problems with the ARMS #18 mount is if the receiver is not in spec or it is mounted incorrectly.

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Don't know where you got this info, but it is not accurate.
Only time there is problems with the ARMS #18 mount is if the receiver is not in spec or it is mounted incorrectly.
Actually this is owing to my english
What I meant was that the scope is mounted beside/parallel/lateral to the barel instead of in line and straight above. Hope you get my point despite my lack of english skills.

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I own numerous ARMS mount of every generation, and use them. They do indeed mount centered and parallel to the bore if every thing is in spec. They are not forgiving if some measurement on the receiver is off.

I get what you are saying. It is just not accurate.

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Old April 17th, 2017, 07:11 AM   #29
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I will also add this to what I stated in my above post. Because they are so intolerant to out of spec dimensions, they are not the best choice in scope mounts for everyone. Also some shooters encounter ejection issues with them also because of their low height.

I like my scopes as low as possible and a mount that looks like it is part of the receiver. The A.R.M.S #18 meets those criteria for me. One last benefit of the mount sitting so low is that when used with QD rings you can use your irons without the distraction of the mount in your sight picture / Peripheral vision .

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Ok I got the information out of a video on youtube in which one guy is reviewing ARMS vs. Sadlak. No experience so I appreciate yours.
Still not really figured out which combination will work best for me? Which quick detach rings can you guys recommend? Maybe the ARMS with some QD rings will also work for me depends on price of the whole setup. ARMS mounts are available used now and then on egun.

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