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Old April 12th, 2017, 06:29 AM   #61
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Trying to make the .223 a long range weapon is a fools errand. What they did was to f... up an effective combat rifle and turn it into a paper punch. The studies coming out of WWII showed a need for a 300 yard combat rifle - and NOT - semi auto SMLEs with graduated sights out to 2,000 yards

If they need effective RIFLE fire out to 800-1,000 yards they better start asking BULA and LRB to ramp up production because they sure got the wrong rifle now



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Using M193 ammo does nothing for the problem that was described - engaging threats at longer ranges (specifically 7.62 X 54R general purpose machine guns). One possible solution, in my opinion, is to more widely employ Mk 262 ammo.

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Old April 12th, 2017, 07:26 AM   #62
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Id rather just have more m240s

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Old April 12th, 2017, 07:39 AM   #63
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The problem came about when they tried to make 800 yard penetrator shots out of a 16" barrel.
There is no "problem" just a bunch of generals and lobbyists dreaming up new projects to get grant $$$$$$.

Queue the 250mil dollar study to determine whether or not they will spend 2 billion on another study to determine that the Colt M4 is fine etc.

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Old April 12th, 2017, 12:51 PM   #64
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Trying to make the .223 a long range weapon is a fools errand. What they did was to f... up an effective combat rifle and turn it into a paper punch. The studies coming out of WWII showed a need for a 300 yard combat rifle - and NOT - semi auto SMLEs with graduated sights out to 2,000 yards

If they need effective RIFLE fire out to 800-1,000 yards they better start asking BULA and LRB to ramp up production because they sure got the wrong rifle now
Well, it all boils down to what one considers long range. Mk 12's with Mk 262 ammo can consistently hit an E type target at 800m. M4A1's with Mk 262 ammo can pretty consistently hit E type targets out to 700m. The Mk 262 ammo has exhibited improved terminal ballistics when compared to the M855 ammo. If you need to go beyond 700m, a 7.62 NATO rifle is in order.

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