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This is a discussion on M14 Back In The Rotation?? within the The M14 forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; Originally Posted by unkola Don't forget it was John Mcnamera who ordered production stopped and then got rid of the tooling for it, and even ...


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Old April 6th, 2017, 01:16 PM   #16
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Don't forget it was John Mcnamera who ordered production stopped and then got rid of the tooling for it, and even closed Springfield Armory. When I was at Ft. Hood in '74, I knew a quite a few Army nco's who used it in their first tours in Vietnam and cursed the mouse gun on their second tours. -Lloyd


That would be Sec. Def. Robert Strange (what a crazy middle name) McNamara.

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Old April 6th, 2017, 01:22 PM   #17
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seems to me they could save a lot of time and effort, not to mention money, if they would just bring the M14 back into production. A scout or the 19.25" barrel would cut a little weight and still be danged effective.

And while we're on the subject of weight, why can't our infantry carry something like an M14? Are the physical requirements not what they used to be? I shot someone's M4 last week and I couldn't shoot anywhere near what I can with even my 16. It felt like I was holding a BB gun and the trigger was crappy.

With all of the trash they hang on one of the mouse guns they can't be that much lighter. It should be worth a couple of extra pounds to be able to reach out and touch some one who is shooting at you with a 7.62x54R round!

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Old April 6th, 2017, 01:46 PM   #18
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Mine had a garand.

Ask just about any of the forum guys who had both and see what they prefer

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Old April 6th, 2017, 01:50 PM   #19
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The mountain of M14's in Uncle Sams shed is probably half the size it was, but still enough to equip everyone until they decide what miracle rifle to go with.

The M14 just fits the bill for what they need right now. Something cheap (we currently own them) that can reach out. (7.62Nato) The whole reason we brought it back as a DMR to begin with.

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The mountain of M14's in Uncle Sams shed is probably half the size it was, but still enough to equip everyone until they decide what miracle rifle to go with.

The M14 just fits the bill for what they need right now. Something cheap (we currently own them) that can reach out. (7.62Nato) The whole reason we brought it back as a DMR to begin with.

It makes too much sense to bring them back...exactly why they may not do it. BULA can probably furnish any / all necessary parts.

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Who knows ? At least the current POTUS did stop at a rifle range and fire a few rounds while on the campaign trail . Also with Mattis as Sec Def I'm sure the NCOs in the Corp have his ear.
Unlike his girlie man predecessor who had a pic photoshopped of him shooting a shotgun.

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Who knows ? At least the current POTUS did stop at a rifle range and fire a few rounds while on the campaign trail . Also with Mattis as Sec Def I'm sure the NCOs in the Corp have his ear.
Unlike his girlie man predecessor who had a pic photoshopped of him shooting a shotgun.


There's always hope for reasoned, practical decisions from this POTUS. After all, he is more businessman than politician. Just hope he isn't swayed to the "Dark Side".

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We could get all of them back that were given to foreign countries. Trade them M4's, maybe.

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Hey Rick... After 40 years of shooting all types of US service rifles, both in the military and as a civilian competitor, I have a lot of respect for most of them. The M16/M4 has it's uses, but I have to disagree with you about M14 long range accuracy. Of course the big issue is ammunition. Most M80 is not all that great, but US LC M80 shoots very well. Imports not so much. Unfortunately most of the guys are shooting the import stuff. I shot some last Tuesday that wouldn't hold five inches at 100 yards. M118 in the same gun shot into 1.5 inches. There are a lot of variables.

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seems to me they could save a lot of time and effort, not to mention money, if they would just bring the M14 back into production. A scout or the 19.25" barrel would cut a little weight and still be danged effective.

And while we're on the subject of weight, why can't our infantry carry something like an M14? Are the physical requirements not what they used to be? I shot someone's M4 last week and I couldn't shoot anywhere near what I can with even my 16. It felt like I was holding a BB gun and the trigger was crappy.
I love the old girl, but there is no way that bringing back the M14 is the "economical" solution.

All the tooling has been shipped to Asia, and the current manufacturers (LRB, BULA etc) could not turn out the number of rifles required for the effort.

By the time you run the costs on making new rifles en mass it doesn't make sense to use an older design.

You could maybe make an argument for a product improved design (closed reciever, lighter weight materiel's etc), but there are no idle factories sitting around ready to spit out USGI Spec m14's. It doesn't make sense to build new factories to churn out an older design.

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The mountain of M14's in Uncle Sams shed is probably half the size it was, but still enough to equip everyone until they decide what miracle rifle to go with.

The M14 just fits the bill for what they need right now. Something cheap (we currently own them) that can reach out. (7.62Nato) The whole reason we brought it back as a DMR to begin with.
More then Half (maybe even three quarters) of our M14s were destroyed or given to other countries,

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They wouldn't even put my post up over there....ha ha ha....
I didn't think it was over the top.

Just said how I feel about the M14 and what the real problem is today. Not rifles that aren't broken, ....troops that are...Bunch of slack jawed &%#$@*.....lol

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Hey Rick... After 40 years of shooting all types of US service rifles, both in the military and as a civilian competitor, I have a lot of respect for most of them. The M16/M4 has it's uses, but I have to disagree with you about M14 long range accuracy. Of course the big issue is ammunition. Most M80 is not all that great, but US LC M80 shoots very well. Imports not so much. Unfortunately most of the guys are shooting the import stuff. I shot some last Tuesday that wouldn't hold five inches at 100 yards. M118 in the same gun shot into 1.5 inches. There are a lot of variables.
Ted, I did not disagree that the M14 has great long range accuracy potential (as long as good ammo is used). I simply disagreed with your statement concerning the accuracy of M16's and M4's. I have the data in front of me that supports my statements. E-mail me if you want a copy of the data. Now the thing that I did not mention is the fact that the 7.62 cartridge is substantially less resistance to crosswinds than even the Mk 262 cartridge. As you know, resistance to crosswinds is a big deal when the range increases in combat situations. There are many reasons that the oldtimers favored a cal .30 cartridge when a NATO standard cartridge was being discussed in the early 50's and most of those reasons are still valid today. Rick

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I think the soldiers that prove them selves as competent with a rifle should get to pick, M4 or M14. They both have good points and bad. It's seems to me a mixed bag would be better than everyone with a m4. But what do I know. If your going to put a man in a combat situation you should at least give him a rifle he feels confident with.

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Did you guys get into the comments section? Short of the genius who says bolt guns are the way of the future warrior, I found this little gem by a guy most of you will know-

"The path of least resistance may well be to adopt an existing 7.62mm Government Off The Shelf (GOTS) weapon. It means less oversight and is quicker to put in action.”

The TACOM M14EBR-RI, and Smith Enterprise, Inc. ‘Crazy Horse’ M14 rifles can be put into action faster, and in larger numbers than any of the 4 rifle mentioned. We could field 100,000 of them rather quickly.

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