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Old March 20th, 2017, 12:24 PM   #31
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I cannot believe that the first item you are considering disposing of is your cleaning gear! That cleaning gear is the only thing that will keep your rifle running. All the other items contributing to additional weight are all unnecessary when it comes to being able to continue to put rounds down range. Your priorities need to be re-evaluated.

and just exactly how much weight would it shave off?

I don't know what the kit weighs but it ain't much.

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Old March 20th, 2017, 12:42 PM   #32
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I would think the gas system would be the first problem encounter if one was to shoot thousands of rounds because of the carbon build up in the piston vs a dirty barrel. The cleaning kit store in the buttstock is the brush and the cleaning stick (made of metal).

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Old March 20th, 2017, 06:47 PM   #33
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and just exactly how much weight would it shave off?

I don't know what the kit weighs but it ain't much.
It's gotta be just ounces.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 07:41 PM   #34
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Some years ago they ran a torture test in one of the glossies, Shooting Times I think where they compared a Chinese M14 and an M1a and let em rip until failure. The Chinese rifle ran but briefly before falling completely, the M1A did quit running after several thousand rounds if I recall, but once cleaned continued to run.
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Guns magazine in May 1994 issue did a torture test between a SAI M1A and a Poly Tech M-14S. The SAI M1A was shot 5,000 rounds in one day. 4,000 rounds were shot in 4 hours. The Poly Tech M-14S gave up the ghost at 440 rounds. The springs were toast. The ammo used was FNM 82 and 83.
I think I have a copy of that article somewhere. That was one test that I considered unfair. The Chinese rifle was slathered in cosmoline as they always were back then. They explained that they decided to run them as they came out of the box, so fired it without cleaning. After a few hundred rounds the cosmoline reached the temperature where it was ignited by the barrel heat. A few seconds later the flames reached the op rod spring and it lost its tempering and failed.

I think the only point it proved was to clean the excess shipping grease off of your rifle before shooting.

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Old April 1st, 2017, 12:53 PM   #35
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Thanks Cass...

I don't pretend to understand why, but putting down the Polys seems to be something that some folks like to do, and the "test" mentioned is part of that.

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Old April 1st, 2017, 01:34 PM   #36
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My setup is heavy guys. Trying to look at slimming down any accessories I can think of and the first thing comes to mine is the cleaning kit I store in the butstock.

My question is, in a scenario where you don't have the ability to clean your gun after each shooting, how many rounds can our M1a cycle through before the carbon build up gets too much and she starts jamming?

Just store a bore snake and some cleaner in it

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