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Old March 20th, 2017, 08:27 PM   #46
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You guys really go deep diving when it comes to TRW stuff. Your like mad scientist dudes.

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Old March 20th, 2017, 08:34 PM   #47
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Hey fellas, we're the guys selling the bolts.
I'm not interested in getting in some pissing match with those who made the accusations, but the notion that one of the bolts we have listed is fake because the drawing number roll mark is too deep is a bit of a stretch.
Other than the stamp being deeper on one, every other aspect of them is identical, I mean identical. Anyone who's local to us is more than welcome to come and examine them in person. If they're fakes, they went to a lot of trouble to age the packaging, duplicate the mag particle marks etc.

These are the last two we have, they came from two different small lots we acquired and have been slowly selling on Gunbroker. Half came from the estate of a well know NFA dealer here in Oregon, Victor Fogel. We purchased them from the State of Oregon (as he died without a Will) along with a large amount of other firearm parts about 4 years ago.

The other half came from a good mate of mine on the east coast who's been sitting on them since around 1993. All were wrapped in the same silver rust preventative paper with the same tape. Paper was old and crispy and shows age.

I'd be more than happy to list pics of the others we have sold, but unfortunately they were sealed and unopened, so we can't compare the markings. We opened 1 from each lot to confirm the manufacturer before listing them, and these are those two.
As I mentioned we've sold a number of these on GB and I've never had any one return them or otherwise contact us to say they had a problem or were unhappy.

As the description for the listings state, we use studio flash photography for our pics, this makes every little mark, scratch etc show up like dogs balls. When I went out and looked at the bolt in question, the marks that everyone is concerned about are no where near as pronounced under natural light...but they are still there.

Why did we list them at a penny? We list pretty well all our auctions at a penny. We've found as long as you list a product, describe it accurately and take good photo's so folks know what they're going, market value will be reached in most cases.
If anyone has any other question, go ahead and ask, and I'll be happy to answer.

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Old March 21st, 2017, 02:12 AM   #48
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Hey fellas, we're the guys selling the bolts.
I'm not interested in getting in some pissing match with those who made the accusations, but the notion that one of the bolts we have listed is fake because the drawing number roll mark is too deep is a bit of a stretch.
Other than the stamp being deeper on one, every other aspect of them is identical, I mean identical. Anyone who's local to us is more than welcome to come and examine them in person. If they're fakes, they went to a lot of trouble to age the packaging, duplicate the mag particle marks etc.

These are the last two we have, they came from two different small lots we acquired and have been slowly selling on Gunbroker. Half came from the estate of a well know NFA dealer here in Oregon, Victor Fogel. We purchased them from the State of Oregon (as he died without a Will) along with a large amount of other firearm parts about 4 years ago.

The other half came from a good mate of mine on the east coast who's been sitting on them since around 1993. All were wrapped in the same silver rust preventative paper with the same tape. Paper was old and crispy and shows age.

I'd be more than happy to list pics of the others we have sold, but unfortunately they were sealed and unopened, so we can't compare the markings. We opened 1 from each lot to confirm the manufacturer before listing them, and these are those two.
As I mentioned we've sold a number of these on GB and I've never had any one return them or otherwise contact us to say they had a problem or were unhappy.

As the description for the listings state, we use studio flash photography for our pics, this makes every little mark, scratch etc show up like dogs balls. When I went out and looked at the bolt in question, the marks that everyone is concerned about are no where near as pronounced under natural light...but they are still there.

Why did we list them at a penny? We list pretty well all our auctions at a penny. We've found as long as you list a product, describe it accurately and take good photo's so folks know what they're going, market value will be reached in most cases.
If anyone has any other question, go ahead and ask, and I'll be happy to answer.

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Welcome to the forum.
Thank you for jumping in and clearing things up before the misinformation spread any further.
I would like to thank Tony for standing up for you also.


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Old March 21st, 2017, 04:16 PM   #49
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He's got 2 of them up there, Both TRW as NOS, both the same heat lots. Right now 11 bids between them. I checked mine under the lugs and mine don't have machine marks like on the xxxxx707 lot on the roller lug, but I'm going with the rest of you who know more than I do. After comparing those pictures to the 2 I have almost wish I hadn't seen this after comparing the underside of the lugs to mine.

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Hey fellas, we're the guys selling the bolts.
I'm not interested in getting in some pissing match with those who made the accusations, but the notion that one of the bolts we have listed is fake because the drawing number roll mark is too deep is a bit of a stretch.
Other than the stamp being deeper on one, every other aspect of them is identical, I mean identical. Anyone who's local to us is more than welcome to come and examine them in person. If they're fakes, they went to a lot of trouble to age the packaging, duplicate the mag particle marks etc.

These are the last two we have, they came from two different small lots we acquired and have been slowly selling on Gunbroker. Half came from the estate of a well know NFA dealer here in Oregon, Victor Fogel. We purchased them from the State of Oregon (as he died without a Will) along with a large amount of other firearm parts about 4 years ago.

The other half came from a good mate of mine on the east coast who's been sitting on them since around 1993. All were wrapped in the same silver rust preventative paper with the same tape. Paper was old and crispy and shows age.

I'd be more than happy to list pics of the others we have sold, but unfortunately they were sealed and unopened, so we can't compare the markings. We opened 1 from each lot to confirm the manufacturer before listing them, and these are those two.
As I mentioned we've sold a number of these on GB and I've never had any one return them or otherwise contact us to say they had a problem or were unhappy.

As the description for the listings state, we use studio flash photography for our pics, this makes every little mark, scratch etc show up like dogs balls. When I went out and looked at the bolt in question, the marks that everyone is concerned about are no where near as pronounced under natural light...but they are still there.

Why did we list them at a penny? We list pretty well all our auctions at a penny. We've found as long as you list a product, describe it accurately and take good photo's so folks know what they're going, market value will be reached in most cases.
If anyone has any other question, go ahead and ask, and I'll be happy to answer.

cheers
Mike
Welcome. I wish other sellers took good pics like you guys do. I'll be looking for your auctions in the future.

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