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Old January 7th, 2017, 02:09 PM   #46
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Try federal fusion
That's what I would use, or hornady.

Both should be easy to find even at Wally World etc...

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Old January 8th, 2017, 06:16 PM   #47
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Not specifically the M1A - but I do know .308 is the top end recoil it is supposed to be used with.



I don't like bolt action and shoot lefty so it is the gun of all around choice for me, so I will live with it being some 14'ish lbs loaded with optics. I guess I don't see a problem with it.
I was just tossing that out there . If you get one please follow up with a range report . good luck with your hunt . rifle weight is a relative thing . I take a relative to pack my rifle .

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Old January 9th, 2017, 06:25 AM   #48
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I was just tossing that out there . If you get one please follow up with a range report . good luck with your hunt . rifle weight is a relative thing . I take a relative to pack my rifle .
I'm taking my 14 year old as a pack mule... he can hoof his bolty and my M1A for me. He needs to earn his allowance! :D

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Dropped a few deer with both the Sierra 165gr hpbt game king or the Hornady 150gr sst

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Old January 11th, 2017, 07:45 AM   #50
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So after going through the thread and talking to a coworker who has been hunting using .308 exclusively for the last few years here in CO this is the list I think I will be running with for testing as far as "off the shelf" / order-able fully manufactured ammunition is concerned in the M1A Scout once I get a mount and optics on her:

Barnes:
VOR-TX - 168gr Tipped Triple-Shock X Bullet Boat Tail Lead-Free - 2680fps

Fiocchi:
Extrema - TTSX 168gr - Tipped Triple-Shock X Bullet Boat Tail Lead-Free - 2680fps

Nosler:
Nosler Custom - 165gr Trophy Grade AccuBond - 2800fps

HSM:
Trophy Gold - 168gr Berger Hunting VLD Hollow Point Boat Tail - 2740fps

Federal:
P308E Vital-Shok - 180gr Nosler Partition - 2570fps

(Additional Federal):

P308TCS Vital-Shok - 165gr Vital-Shok Trophy Copper (solid Copper) - 2700 fps

P308C Vital-Shok - 165gr Vital-Shok Sierra Gameking Boat Tail Soft Point - 2700 fps

P308TT1 Vital-Shok - 180gr Troph Bonded Tip - 2620

F308FS2 / 3 - Fusion Series - 165gr / 180gr Fusion Soft Point - 2700 (165) / 2600 (180)

Is there something, anything, "off the shelf," that anyone can see as obviously missing from this list I need to consider for CO elk (primary target) & deer sized game, Colorado altitudes, running out of the M1A Scout (18" barrel)?

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Walt, stay away from 180 grain bullets of any brand-you may get away with using them a few times and you may not-why take a chance of damaging your rifle when there are safer rounds available? Same holds true for 165/168 gr. @ 2800fps. I just don't want to take a chance of doing damage-too much money invested in my girl.

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Old January 11th, 2017, 02:11 PM   #52
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So narrow down the list eliminating 180gr and anything over 2800?

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168 gr bullet tops!

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I hope I didn't read over this in someone else's post but shot placement is at the utmost of importance. An elk is a huge animal. Practice a lot with cheaper rounds. then find what hunting ammo shoots the best in your rifle at your price range. Study the vitals of your intended animal and if you have the funds buy the targets that show them. This might help you more than buying 10-20 boxes of ammo to try. A double lung shot with a box of Walmart Remington corelokts, will seal the deal if broadside at a practical distance. Is there better ammo out there absolutely.

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I hope I didn't read over this in someone else's post but shot placement is at the utmost of importance. An elk is a huge animal. Practice a lot with cheaper rounds. then find what hunting ammo shoots the best in your rifle at your price range. Study the vitals of your intended animal and if you have the funds buy the targets that show them. This might help you more than buying 10-20 boxes of ammo to try. A double lung shot with a box of Walmart Remington corelokts, will seal the deal if broadside at a practical distance. Is there better ammo out there absolutely.
I understand with absolute clarity on that Wasted.
The last time I hunted was some 27'ish years ago so I know I have to get REAL comfortable with the rifle itself first (my first rifle in some 25 years), re-learn the art of proper breathing, etc. to get consistent trigger squeezing and to that shot placement on paper... then learn the vitals / key one shot target zones, and work more on shooting for those shapes, zones, etc. at various ranges.

I know I will probably blow through several hundred rounds of Perfecta or some other "base" ammunition to get started on the rifle exercises with, but this was more of a query into what that "better" ammo is that is out there that is even better than "base" for the purposes of hunting a large animal like an elk. That ammo that I will, after I'm comfortable breathing, squeezing, sighting (irons, then optics), and hitting, truly sight the optics in with with some 5-20 rounds for certainty, then be the only thing used in the rifle during hunting season / be my loadout in my 5 round magazines while I'm sitting in the woods waiting for a volunteer to fill my freezer.

I am not going to half ass this process at all. I know I have to learn the rifle WELL before I even dare to take it into the field, well before I learn the elk / deer (or hog for that matter which may be a hunt option later this year) anatomy in depth as my focal point. I know I even have to learn the actual handling of the rifle a little different than many of you because I will be shooting it left handed, which from doing my research can require some adjustments in handling because of the op rod sensitivity to being touched. I also know I need to re-learn A LOT about hunting, field dressing after a kill, etc. in general given I haven't hunted in so long (I'm actually re-taking my hunter safety course).

I am taking my time with this process - not just owning and understanding the M1A but owning the M1A as a hunting rifle with a primary intended target (that isn't a human / self-defense rifle). I just want to be very clear in the best possible choices in ammunition for taking down those targets quickly and humanely.

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I understand with absolute clarity on that Wasted.
The last time I hunted was some 27'ish years ago so I know I have to get REAL comfortable with the rifle itself first (my first rifle in some 25 years), re-learn the art of proper breathing, etc. to get consistent trigger squeezing and to that shot placement on paper... then learn the vitals / key one shot target zones, and work more on shooting for those shapes, zones, etc. at various ranges.

I know I will probably blow through several hundred rounds of Perfecta or some other "base" ammunition to get started on the rifle exercises with, but this was more of a query into what that "better" ammo is that is out there that is even better than "base" for the purposes of hunting a large animal like an elk. That ammo that I will, after I'm comfortable breathing, squeezing, sighting (irons, then optics), and hitting, truly sight the optics in with with some 5-20 rounds for certainty, then be the only thing used in the rifle during hunting season / be my loadout in my 5 round magazines while I'm sitting in the woods waiting for a volunteer to fill my freezer.

I am not going to half ass this process at all. I know I have to learn the rifle WELL before I even dare to take it into the field, well before I learn the elk / deer (or hog for that matter which may be a hunt option later this year) anatomy in depth as my focal point. I know I even have to learn the actual handling of the rifle a little different than many of you because I will be shooting it left handed, which from doing my research can require some adjustments in handling because of the op rod sensitivity to being touched. I also know I need to re-learn A LOT about hunting, field dressing after a kill, etc. in general given I haven't hunted in so long (I'm actually re-taking my hunter safety course).

I am taking my time with this process - not just owning and understanding the M1A but owning the M1A as a hunting rifle with a primary intended target (that isn't a human / self-defense rifle). I just want to be very clear in the best possible choices in ammunition for taking down those targets quickly and humanely.
I think you're getting closer to what's really important. The actual hunting of the animal rather than the weapon and shooting. As I mentioned before, there's lots of guys out there that don't know crap about shooting sports, yet take game every year. Try not to overthink it. Knowing how to hunt is really far more important. Getting to the animals before your competition is really the key (I'm assuming you're going to hunt on busy public land in CO). If you can shoot your rifle from 100-300 yards confidently, then you should be fine.

If you're having to take 600+ yard shots on elk, you're either way confident on your shooting platform (don't try this with a M1A) or you're not a very good hunter. Usually, it's the latter. Forget what you see on the Outdoor Channel. It's usually a bunch of guides on some ranch with the trophy elk that they heard towards the camera. Rarely do you see a tough public land hunt.

IMO this is the only way to field dress an animal:

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(I'm assuming you're going to hunt on busy public land in CO). If you can shoot your rifle from 100-300 yards confidently, then you should be fine.
Yes public land, however the in-laws that have invited me say they've been hunting there for 40+ years starting with the spousal's grandfather and they have never "competed" for someone getting to the game first interestingly. As they said they've never failed to walk away without a deer... elk have been getting harder and harder to come by with the warmer and warmer falls of late (last 4 years they said), but when the weather is colder, they've always bagged an elk if they were after one.

And definitely 300 or less. I asked them their range typically and they said 150-200 yards is their typical range needed, but they've managed to get lucky from time to time with 50-75 yarders too. I told them I was not comfortable over 300 yards (that is the longest I have ever shot ANYTHING I've ever had a chance to handle). They had no issue with that at all.

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