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Old January 5th, 2017, 07:56 PM   #31
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Try federal fusion msr 150 or 165 grain. It uses a bonded bullet that I believe is identical to the regular fusion, but with sealed primers and is loaded to specifically for AR/M1A length barrels. The fusion is typically a phenomenally accurate bullet.

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Old January 5th, 2017, 08:51 PM   #32
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The Barnes copper solid is a good bullet that expands well and holds together. It is loaded by a few companies.

http://ammoseek.com/ammo/308-winchester?ikw=barnes
I agree with Rich D. Pick up a 165 grain Barns solid copper bullet. Federal used to load them until they designed their own solid copper round. Barns makes their own rounds now. I have taken elk with .30 cal Barns solid copper bullets. Weight retention looked to about 100% and bullet expansion looked like it could be used in a Barns bullet add, pretty much a perfect “flower” after going through ribs, heart, liver, lungs and smashing the front left shoulder socket of a bull. I am a believer in Barnes solid copper rounds.

Just remember, it matters not what kind if bullet you use if you do not get good shot placement.

Best of luck on your hunt! Our group has not been drawn for bull elk since 2013!

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I agree with Rich D. Pick up a 165 grain Barns solid copper bullet. Federal used to load them until they designed their own solid copper round. Barns makes their own rounds now. I have taken elk with .30 cal Barns solid copper bullets. Weight retention looked to about 100% and bullet expansion looked like it could be used in a Barns bullet add, pretty much a perfect “flower” after going through ribs, heart, liver, lungs and smashing the front left shoulder socket of a bull. I am a believer in Barnes solid copper rounds.

Just remember, it matters not what kind if bullet you use if you do not get good shot placement.

Best of luck on your hunt! Our group has not been drawn for bull elk since 2013!
So would that be the Barns TTSX line then? I'm not finding any solid brass (with the mandated hollow point for expansion required here in CO) pre-made into a ready to fire round, just bullets. The TTSX line though - I'm finding. They look a lot like the aforementioned Nosler Trophy Grade Accubond.

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Old January 6th, 2017, 08:37 AM   #35
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Thank you all for the input thus far!
It is GREATLY appreciated.

I ma greatly looking forward to getting her out to the range with a mount and optics on her to test all these great choices out this spring.

I plan on using Perfecta or some such non-eastern bloc reasonably priced ammo for plinking at the range, but for hunting I definitely want as precision consistent stuff as possible out of the box since I haven't gotten myself into reloading yet. Then that'll be a whole different game of choices and learning curve.

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Old January 6th, 2017, 01:47 PM   #36
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I hand load almost every round that has gone through my M1A and shot 2 deer this fall with it using 165 gr Sierra HPBT. If I was buying factory hunting ammo, I would stick to 150gr. Only reason is you don't know what powder it's burning.

If you are using store ammo for hunting, I would get the Schuster gas plug. It isn't expensive.

I would get Nosler 150 Accubond ammo. Not cheap, but it should only take 5 round to zero and 1 for the elk. :)

I would NEVER shoot factory 180 gr hunting ammo. It probably has a slower powder in it.

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HSM trophy gold. They're loaded with 168 grain Berger VLD hunting rounds. As close to a match grade hollow point bullet as you can get.

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HSM trophy gold. They're loaded with 168 grain Berger VLD hunting rounds. As close to a match grade hollow point bullet as you can get.
Have you ever shot an animal with this ammo? It is very accurate, but close range shots under 300 yard it fragments.

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Have you ever shot an animal with this ammo? It is very accurate, but close range shots under 300 yard it fragments.
I use 210 gn VLD out of my 300 WSM. These things are AWESOME! Killed a deer and an elk under 100 yards this year and both animals immediately dropped. Oh, they're way accurate.

Here's the problem with HSM ammo with a Berger bullet. You absolutely need to reload these and get them as close to the lands as possible to get those tight groups. I'd recommend a bullet with a G1 profile because of the limitations of the magazine.

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So would that be the Barns TTSX line then? I'm not finding any solid brass (with the mandated hollow point for expansion required here in CO) pre-made into a ready to fire round, just bullets. The TTSX line though - I'm finding. They look a lot like the aforementioned Nosler Trophy Grade Accubond.
Yes the TTSX line seems to be the upgraded/new version of the TSX all copper round. I still have some of the Fed TSX rounds I stocked up on from years past but the next time I stock up in hunting rounds it will be the newer TTSXbullet.

Note: the Nosler Trophy Grade Accubond is a completely different round. It retains the traditional lead core and copper jacket design but has a better bonding of the two materials to keep them from separating upon impact resulting in less penetration in game.

Except for the polymer tip the TTSX is a solid copper round. The tip on the TTSX is for better accuracy down range with a better BC.

Again best of luck on your hunt!

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I use 210 gn VLD out of my 300 WSM. These things are AWESOME! Killed a deer and an elk under 100 yards this year and both animals immediately dropped. Oh, they're way accurate.

Here's the problem with HSM ammo with a Berger bullet. You absolutely need to reload these and get them as close to the lands as possible to get those tight groups. I'd recommend a bullet with a G1 profile because of the limitations of the magazine.
Not necessarily true. My Savage 308 shoots Berger bullets (including hunting VLD) very well. The throat on that rifle is so long now that if I tried to chase the lands, the bullet would fall out of the case. It has well over 6k rounds through it. That rifle is getting a new barrel soon.

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Why would you want to hump such a heavy gun up and down the mtns!!! Too heavy for me.

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have you checked to see if the atn sight will sustain the recoil on an m1A ? I have read where 308 was reaching the max for those optics . IM kinda old school but I zero at 200 yds then set targets at 250 and 300 yds shoot a 5 round string at both targets on a big piece of cardboard , break out the walking shools and tape measure to see where I need to hold at those distance. odds are it wont be so much you could get by with just a regular duplex cross hair . A lazer range finder can be had for a decent price.

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I use my m1a loaded for elk hunting here in Colorado, the ammo I use is hornady 168gr match bthp. Super accurate out of my rifle. I have the sadlak steel mount with weaver classic 6-38 fixed power scope.

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have you checked to see if the atn sight will sustain the recoil on an m1A ? I have read where 308 was reaching the max for those optics . IM kinda old school but I zero at 200 yds then set targets at 250 and 300 yds shoot a 5 round string at both targets on a big piece of cardboard , break out the walking shools and tape measure to see where I need to hold at those distance. odds are it wont be so much you could get by with just a regular duplex cross hair . A lazer range finder can be had for a decent price.
Not specifically the M1A - but I do know .308 is the top end recoil it is supposed to be used with.

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Why would you want to hump such a heavy gun up and down the mtns!!! Too heavy for me.
I don't like bolt action and shoot lefty so it is the gun of all around choice for me, so I will live with it being some 14'ish lbs loaded with optics. I guess I don't see a problem with it.

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