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Old October 3rd, 2006, 06:48 AM   #1
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M1a as a SHTF weapon

Have seen many post that their M1a/M14 is the go-to/SHTF weapon.

Agree with this choice of course and have made the same.

My Scout is a new SAI. Concern/question is the barrel not being Chrome Lined. In a SHTF scenario you will be facing damp conditions. So far I'm digging the SAI stuff but the no-chrome barrel kind of bugs me for what they charge.

Can live with the slightly out of spec receiver, some of the parts are softer(changing a bunch out), many say extractor is a problem(changing that just in case, no issues as of yet though).

What are thoughts about barrel?
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Old October 3rd, 2006, 06:59 AM   #2
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I wouldnt worry about the barrel, buy yourself a spare bolt rebuild kit, a few recoil springs and any other small parts you feel you need.

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Old October 3rd, 2006, 07:10 AM   #3
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I wouldnt worry about the barrel, buy yourself a spare bolt rebuild kit, a few recoil springs and any other small parts you feel you need.
Happy to say already have lots of this stuff!

Many seem concerned about barrel rusting. Maybe its not that big of a concern?

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Old October 3rd, 2006, 07:26 AM   #4
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The M1 rifle barrel was not chrome lined, and they soldiered on just fine in WW2 and Korea using corrosive ammo. Don't worry about it. Just keep her clean when you have the chance.

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Old October 3rd, 2006, 08:06 AM   #5
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+1 on what the Old Sarge said!

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Old October 3rd, 2006, 10:28 AM   #6
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I wouldn't worry too much about the non-chromelined barrel rusting out if you just remember to bring along your cleaning kit and some supplies with you to maintain the rifle where ever you go.
I still like CLP for that job and my M1A is my shtf rifle. Running a lightly CLP'ed patch down your barrel every once in a while should keep you well in the green zone with putting your rifle through just about anything.

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Old October 3rd, 2006, 11:36 AM   #7
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Not to hijack the thread, but along the lines of the thread.

Many moons ago, SWAT Magazine published their opinions of the various battle rifles. Among their conclusions, was that the M1 Garand was a superior rifle than the M1A/M14 for the individual rifle man in the SHTF senario. They basis was that the M1A/M14 was better for the squad/multi man unit due to its detachable magazine.
I am not sure I totally understand their rational, as they didn't explain more than that.
Does anyone here have any comments regarding their opinion??

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Old October 3rd, 2006, 11:47 AM   #8
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SWAT- IMHO, depending on the writer is not the be all and all of opinions.

Remember opinions are like medals and hemorroids.

Either a properly running Garand or M1A/M14 in the hands of a skilled user will do as well as the other, IMHO.

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Old October 3rd, 2006, 12:43 PM   #9
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Not to hijack the thread, but along the lines of the thread.

Many moons ago, SWAT Magazine published their opinions of the various battle rifles. Among their conclusions, was that the M1 Garand was a superior rifle than the M1A/M14 for the individual rifle man in the SHTF senario. They basis was that the M1A/M14 was better for the squad/multi man unit due to its detachable magazine.
I am not sure I totally understand their rational, as they didn't explain more than that.
Does anyone here have any comments regarding their opinion??
In my opinion of their opinion, their idiots.




I can see the Garand making a fair shtf rifle but, not better today than an M14 not only in a squad basis but in use from an individual rifleman.

I don't see many synthetic stock choices for the M1 Garand compared to the M14 and the .308 is gonna be much more available the way I see it with how many police, civilian and military weapons that use it compared to the 30.06.
You'll also get better weight savings with the .308 and still have all the range and punch you could want for different uses like defending yourself and family and hunting for food.
How about the higher rate of fire from a 20 round magazine compared to the Garand 8 round clip, plus all the flash supressing options with the M14 that will better hide your location while firing those rounds.
The M14 has more options for optics mounting too and better platforms for bipod support to use those different optics more effectively over time and changing surroundings.
Garand's are a very nice rifle and I'll have a couple eventually I hope, but I wouldn't ever trade one for an M14 if the shite hit the fan.

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Not to hijack the thread, but along the lines of the thread.

Many moons ago, SWAT Magazine published their opinions of the various battle rifles. Among their conclusions, was that the M1 Garand was a superior rifle than the M1A/M14 for the individual rifle man in the SHTF senario. They basis was that the M1A/M14 was better for the squad/multi man unit due to its detachable magazine.
I am not sure I totally understand their rational, as they didn't explain more than that.
Does anyone here have any comments regarding their opinion??
FYI> there is a program on the Military Channel tonight titled the top ten battle weapons of all time.

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Have seen many post that their M1a/M14 is the go-to/SHTF weapon.

Agree with this choice of course and have made the same.

My Scout is a new SAI. Concern/question is the barrel not being Chrome Lined. In a SHTF scenario you will be facing damp conditions. So far I'm digging the SAI stuff but the no-chrome barrel kind of bugs me for what they charge.

What are thoughts about barrel?
I started out with an SAI Scout and had the full Crazy Horse MK14 SEI conversion done with a non-chromed medium heavy barrel.
The lack of chrome bugged me, so my second MK14 was built with a standard profile chrome lined barrel.

I prefer the lighter, easier to clean, easier to keep clean chrome lined barrel,
but as Lionseye mentioned: a little CLP will keep either in the green zone.

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Old October 3rd, 2006, 03:54 PM   #12
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Depends on scenario.

Good choice if forted up.

Bad choice if afoot and humping everything needed for survival.

In a SHTF situtation you will either need to:
1. Defend your nest - good choice for a M14 type weapon.
2. Move and evade - bad choice for a M14 type weapon.

If you are afoot and on the move you are not looking for a fight, much better to carry something lighter and with lighter ammo. Something that works well for close encounters along with a good .22 pistol for hunting.

IMHO

Let us face it guys, as I get older I like my weapons lighter and lighter. I still love my M1's and M1A's, but if I had to grab a weapon and basic load of ammo along with a weeks food, sleeping bag, tent, stove, first aid kit, water and odds and ends and hit the hills with my size 10 personnal carriers....well.

On the other hand, if I am holed up and only have to walk across the room for an ammo resupply....7.62 all the way ;-)!

M.T. realist

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Old October 3rd, 2006, 04:53 PM   #13
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Gettin older as I type,, I'd hate to have to do alot of ridge running at this point, but I would want a true shooter with me. If I had to fort up,,,well,,,

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Old October 3rd, 2006, 07:44 PM   #14
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I would not worry about the chrome lined or lack of such in any situation. Some of the firearms both me and my dad owned stayed in a hunting camp in the Great North Maine woods. Except for shotguns I have not seen any made for hunting rifles with chrome lined barrels. My favorite uncle put down more deer than anyone else I have meet in my life. He never took care of his rifles, nor my father and my rifles. Up there several people got lost in the woods every year. We always kept a few rifles and a shotgun in the camp, as well as firewood ready to start in the wood stoves and some canned goods. If you got turned around up there you could walk through the Canadian border going west, east or north. The closest paved road was well over 40 miles from camp. Anyway, we would fire each rifle that was going to be used to confirm zero. The only time I ever saw any of the rifles cleaned was when I was told to clean them. I never had a patch come out rusty. I used to run a patch of 3 in one oil down the bores of our rifles before I left camp for the year. I tried to clean my uncles 303, but he said it would be used in a week or so anyway. He used to fill his tag, my grandmothers, both of his daughters and his wifes tag every year with that old rifle. I never seen it cleaned, ever. You would be surprised at how much abuse a rifle can take and still function well enough to reliably take medium sized game. I have also seen him take northern grouse and snow shoe rabbits without destroying body meet with that old rifle. He also used my dads 32 Win. special, model 94 Winchester. I cleaned it every year before going back home and it always had powder residue in the bore the next trip. After a couple rounds down range to make sure rifle and ammo were hitting the POI desired, the rifles were not cleaned until it was time to go home. I don't treat my firearms that way, just the old 30 30 and 03 I used to leave in camp. Back then you could get a used 03 very cheap, so it was a camp rifle. I wish I still had that rifle. My uncle lost it in a poker game. He won me a jeep and a 220 Swift though. The point is, just because some battle rifles have/had chrome lined barrels, the un-lined barrels would take a lot of abuse and still fire accurately and constantly. I take care of things today and the four guys that were part owners of that camp burnt it to the ground after my uncle died, so have no camp. I would be willing to fire either the old 30 30 or 03 until I got a failure of any kind. I am not going to try it with my M14 rifles. I only have one un-lined barrel and do not wish to give a N.M. barrel that sort of test. I wouldn't sweat the un-lined barrel for defense of you & your loved ones lives. A tighter head space would be a bigger concern to me in a battlefield condition. If you can see through the bore clearly, a bullet will travel down it.

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Old October 3rd, 2006, 07:53 PM   #15
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Thanks for the replies guys. Helped to put my mind at ease with this concern.

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