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Old April 20th, 2006, 07:09 PM   #1
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M-14'S and teflon/moly paint

Not that I will ever need to sell my M-14's but if my rifle's metal surfaces were painted with this product (OD Green) would this detract from the value of the rifle's?
BTW The desert camo stock's will be swaped out for woodland camo Mcmillan's


This is the product I plan to use on the rifles
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...%2c+GUN+FINISH

The scopes will be painted the same color OD Green in Sherwinn Williams Polane-T paint.

If you saw this setup advertised on Gun Broker would you purchase it?

Any and all advise would be greatly appreciated pro or con.

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Old April 20th, 2006, 07:26 PM   #2
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Before you buy paint, check out "Dura coat " They have alot of colors and pattern kits ...heres a pic of my LTR ....JW

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Before you buy paint, check out "Dura coat " They have alot of colors and pattern kits ...JW

http://www.lauerweaponry.com
Thank you sir for the tip.
Let me return the favor. Through the grapevine I am told Dura coat is just Sherwinn William Polane-T paint repackaged and over priced. Properties of the Polane-T and the Brownells teflon/moly paint that;

Remove cured coating by abrasive blasting or sanding. Tefon is a registered trademark of DuPont Chemical Co.

The Polane paints you have to actually have to remove metal to remove the paint.
Polane-T. $18.00 to $22.00 a pint
Brownell's teflon/moly. $36.86 a pint


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I would like to add the secondary and obvious purposes of finishing the entire rifle is for real world senario's in which hostiles want to relieve me of possession's. i.e. I want to resemble the foliage within my realm.
And, LOL they will not look (I love this word) Bubu'ed


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Old April 20th, 2006, 08:03 PM   #4
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Not that I will ever need to sell my M-14's but if my rifle's metal surfaces were painted with this product (OD Green) would this detract from the value of the rifle's?
DUKE - If you want to paint/coat your rifle and it looks good when you're finished, the value of the rifle is at least the same as before, maybe better. Can you try out the OD Green product on an old barrel and check the "eye candy" factor?

I've seen great blueing and parkerizing and I've seen the worst on the same style rifles. I know which ones I'd buy in a heartbeat! Just my .02.

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I used Teflon-Moly on a FAL

Duke,

I can tell you that the Teflon-Moly is a very satisfactory refinishing coating for what I would call good to marginal metal finishes. Most of the literature I read before I decided to use it on my FAL said it was ideal for "rough" guns or those that had seen some abuse but wouldn't justify the expense of a costly bluing job.

I was VERY happy with the results I got on my FAL. I used black, used the aerosol cans, and it was even, very lustrous and smooth. The FAL had a good park job when I started. I dipped all the parts in acetone to remove any oil, sprayed the parts, and baked them in an oven per the directions. I also did all my FAL mags and I would tell you that there was some abrasion and scuffing once they were ioserted into the FAL's mag well. I did find the finish on the rifle to be quite durable and attractive.

I think for a beater M1A or M14s, the Teflon Moly would be a good option. However, for a real quality rifle, it's my sense that Teflon Moly would not enhance the value and might be a detriment vs. a quality park job. It gives an attractive look to the rifle, but for rifles that are typically parkerized, it is far from traditional. And I think that might detract from the value of the piece.

I Teflon moly coated the metal parts of a synthethic M-14 stock that had been painted black by the previous owner. That looks good and matches the rest of the stock. However, on my "quality" wood stock, I would not Teflon-Moly the metal parts.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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Thank you sir for the tip.
Let me return the favor. Through the grapevine I am told Dura coat is just Sherwinn William Polane-P paint repackaged and over priced. Properties of the Polane-P, Polane-T and the Brownells teflon/moly paint that;

Remove cured coating by abrasive blasting or sanding. Tefon is a registered trademark of DuPont Chemical Co.

The Polane paints you have to actually have to remove metal to remove the paint.
Polane-P, Polane-T. $18.00 to $22.00 a pint
Brownell's teflon/moly. $36.86 a pint

I didn't know that ..Thanks for the heads up .

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Duke,

I have used Norrell's Moly Resin to refinish an 870 and one of my Makarovs in OD...I like it and I hear that it's a lot more durable than the duracoat...Duracoat is nice because you don't have to bake it to cure the finish, but I hear norrell's last a lot longer.

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Duke,

I have used Norrell's Moly Resin to refinish an 870 and one of my Makarovs in OD...I like it and I hear that it's a lot more durable than the duracoat...Duracoat is nice because you don't have to bake it to cure the finish, but I hear Norrell's last a lot longer.
Wow! great paint job! How's it wearing?

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Not that I will ever need to sell my M-14's but if my rifle's metal surfaces were painted with this product (OD Green) would this detract from the value of the rifle's?
BTW The desert camo stock's will be swaped out for woodland camo Mcmillan's


This is the product I plan to use on the rifles
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...%2c+GUN+FINISH

The scopes will be painted the same color OD Green in Sherwinn Williams Polane-T paint.

If you saw this setup advertised on Gun Broker would you purchase it?

Any and all advise would be greatly appreciated pro or con.
The only way I could see it detracting from the value of your M14 Duke, is if it looked like crap or you did it to an M14 that would have more value for it's authenticity. After that it should actually be more of a selling point than anything, as any of the high speed coatings will only strengthen the finish durability and make the rifle more desirable to many. If your worried about it though with whatever finish you choose, you might consider just doing the metal in a black matte finish that wouldn't make it that far off from a standard M14's park look. The only problem with doing the whole rifle and using a bake on finish like Brownell's teflon-moly which is a very durable finish and I like myself............................................ ..............is finding an oven big enough.

If you want it to look as professional as possible though and not detract from the rifles value since your planning on doing the whole thing, is considering having a professional do it. If not, having used Brownell's bake on finishes, the most important part to getting it right is the prep work and that means no grease or oil anywhere. Even from your hands. I've messed up parts before with Gunkote, and had to do them again because I took the grease/oil part too lightly. It wasn't pretty, that's for sure.

Don't forget to heat the parts up first too. It definitely helps to open the pours and let the finish soak in more.

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The Norrell's finish has been holding up. There is a guy on ARF that goes by "stickman" that has a lot of experience with the Norrell's Moly...he's used duracoat as well and swears by Norrells. Norrell's has a couple of choices for a gray finish.

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http://www.molyresin.com/

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I would like to add the the purposes of finishing the entire rifle is for real world senario's in which hostiles want to relieve me of possession's. i.e. I want to resemble the foliage within my realm.
And, LOL they will not look (I love this word) Bubu'ed
You want to preserve the resale value for after the hostiles have been dealt with?

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My friend, a retired SgtMaj from 5th SF Group, has been to the Duracoat class and has all the stuff (oven included) to do it. He did my M14 clone in the parkerized color Duracoat has. It had a nice park as a base to begin with. I love it! It looks awesome and is totally weather/corrosion proof. You can handle it all you want and not worry about wiping prints off. You can take it out in a rainstorm too (it's also in a USGI synthetic stock). It will wear wherever there is metal to metal contact, like on the bolt lug and lugways on the receiver, and where the mag is inserted in the magwell. However, real parkerizing will eventually wear in those spots also.

All in all I think Duracoat is great for the corrosion resistant properties that it has. It is not indestructable, but IS pretty durable.

I'll have this particular rifle with me for the Fred's Appleseed shoot in Evansville next week. If you're there you can see it firstand.


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Old May 29th, 2006, 10:04 PM   #13
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Thank you for the supporting feed back M-14 brothers.
More opinions would be greatly appreciated though. Thanks in advance.

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Duke, I too plan on finishing some of my weapons in a green finish, I would prefer a coating that has some teflon or other lubricating properties, however, I realize that the coating will wear off eventually in areas of high wear/friction. I was seriously looking at having some of mine done in Birdsongs 'Green T' finish, which is supposed to be very tough, and will not reflect IR, making you less detectable to "high tech hostiles". My next 1911 duty pistol will probably wear this, as well as my sniper rifle, rem 870, and shtf M14. Wish I could have the scope on the sniper rifle done too. It may get painted, I was thinking about Dura-Coat, but may look at your idea for paint instead on the scope. I think you would not hurt the value of your weapons, it seems there's plenty of interest in a 'colorized' weapon. I look at this way, I wouldn't paint any of my antique furniture or the walnut and oak trim in my home, but I might paint a newer piece of furniture or run of the mill pine trim. I'm assuming your rifle isn't some rare or unusual piece, so I say, go for it. After all, it is YOUR RIFLE.

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Thank you sir for the tip.
Let me return the favor. Through the grapevine I am told Dura coat is just Sherwinn William Polane-T paint repackaged and over priced. Properties of the Polane-T and the Brownells teflon/moly paint that;

Remove cured coating by abrasive blasting or sanding. Tefon is a registered trademark of DuPont Chemical Co.

The Polane paints you have to actually have to remove metal to remove the paint.
Polane-T. $18.00 to $22.00 a pint
Brownell's teflon/moly. $36.86 a pint

I believe the gun-kote and other teflon/moly type paints may be polane, but Duracoat is definitely a different animal. Duracoat is more of an epoxy type of paint and requires mixing a hardener. The others don't. Duracoat also air dries, and can be baked to speed it up. The others, Brownell's, gun-kote, Norrell's, etc., require baking to get finish hardness.

The teflon/moly and Duracoat finishes do well when applied over park or a blasted and well degreased surface. Probably the best durability I've seen is the "paint" over park done by Derek at Azex Arms. Tough as nails.

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