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Old April 13th, 2006, 01:54 PM   #1
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M852 & M118LR M14 Range Card info?

Does anybody have (willing to share), or know where I can get, buy, or download, a good easy to use range card (or data to construct one), for shooting G.I. M852 Special Match (168gr Sierra) and/or M118LR (175gr. Sierra) out of a standard 22" barrel M14? I need the "come-ups" for bullet drop at different ranges as well as numbers for wind (usually in inches per 1 mph wind @ different ranges).

If you have stuff in "Yards" it would be awesome, but meters would be cool to see too.

Thanks in advance! Mike

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Old April 13th, 2006, 02:13 PM   #2
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let me look around... I may still have mine... if not when i get one i will turn it into a PDF and post it

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Old April 13th, 2006, 02:42 PM   #3
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Basic come ups for each should be 200-300 + 3 clicks
300-600 +12 clicks



Regards , Mike

PS Creedmore used to have a card with that info including wind adjustments out to 1000 yards.

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The values i used for m118lr were:
200 yds: +9 clks from bottom
300 yds: +12 clks from btm
400 yds: +18 clks from btm
500 yds: +19 clks from btm
This was using standard 22 inch m1a, at 75 degrees. Also the range was at a slight downward sloping angle, these should get you pretty close. i hope this is kinda what you are looking for.

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Old April 13th, 2006, 03:45 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Mike McNamara
Basic come ups for each should be 200-300 + 3 clicks
300-600 +12 clicks



Regards , Mike

PS Creedmore used to have a card with that info including wind adjustments out to 1000 yards.

They still do... so does champions shooters supply.. thats where i got mine. unfortunately i lost them due to some of my gear getting swiped.. but I will replace them when i go up to Camp Perry and the national matches this year.. I am a pit officer up there (NRA Volunteer)

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Old April 13th, 2006, 05:22 PM   #6
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Echo, I don't know if this will help you but I came across a great spreadsheet program that does ranging.

ballistics computer enhanced - sniper

This same site has some other ballistics information and links too.

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Old April 13th, 2006, 05:50 PM   #7
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Thanks alot guys Sorry, I guess I should have been more clear in my original post. I was inquiring regarding shooting a scoped rifle. I've seen cards that were made up for snyper types that gave elevation changes in MOA for different ranges, ... 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450, 500, etc., out to 1000 yards and better. The elevation adjustments (in Minutes of Angle) were on the left side of the card, and the wind adjustment (in Inches of drift per 1mph of wind) at each distance were in a column on the right side.

If you try the simulator that DUKE NUKEM posted a link to, you'll see what I mean. However, ... that chart was for pushing a 175gr bullet over 2600 fps out of a bolt gun.

I thought for sure that something like this simply MUST exist for shooting M852 and/or M118LR out of a 22" barreled M14.

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Thanks, Mike

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Old April 13th, 2006, 06:37 PM   #8
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I think you are referring to Ballisticard:
http://www.ballisticards.com/
If they don't have it, they will make it for you with your data.

Of course, should you or any of your IMF team be caught or killed, the secretary will deny any knowedge of your activities. Good luck!

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Old April 13th, 2006, 06:39 PM   #9
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I think you are referring to Ballisticard:
http://www.ballisticards.com/
If they don't have it, they will make it for you with your data.

Of course, should you or any of your IMF team be caught or killed, the secretary will deny any knowedge of your activities. Good luck!

That is very helpful. Thank you.

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Old April 13th, 2006, 06:47 PM   #10
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My pleasure. Just being of service. If you have the bullet weight, muzzle velocity (take the average of as many shots as you can stand to take), and ballistic coefficient, you will have a card just as you like. You may even be able to simply specify the M118LR and rifle, but I would not recommend that because the MZ may not be within the factory new range with your rifle. Also bear in mind that as powder ages, the burn characteristics will change. It may not be enought to notice, but if your source of ammo is not fresh, you should expect some variation from the original specs.

BTW, you can get them in yards, meters, or cubits even, if you tell them what a cubit is.

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Old April 14th, 2006, 06:14 AM   #11
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Thanks, Crazy Horse, that is exactly what I was looking for!

$13.00 to $20.00 isn't bad either, ... but I was just thinking that with all the sniper action over in the sandbox the last number of years, and our military match shooters here at home shooting over the 200-600 and 1000 yard courses for decades, that Uncle would have been handing something like this out to the boys for years for the M118 and M852 out of the M14/M21/M25 and the M24???

Do I have it all wrong, ... or is there a standard U.S.G.I. 7.62x51 sniper/match-shooter card like this out there somewhere for one or both of these cartridges that would be public domain (since we already paid for it, right)?

IIRC, we had something very similar for the M16A2 when I was a grunt 20 years ago.

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Old April 14th, 2006, 08:58 AM   #12
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Check FM23-10. It's got canned values that will work for the 168/173/175gr bullets. Don't put too much stock in ballistics calculators though--just because they use two decimal points for path and drift doesn't mean they're accurate for the batch of ammo you have or for the conditions that you're actually shooting in. They good enough to get you on paper and that's about it.

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Old April 14th, 2006, 12:44 PM   #13
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Thanks, Ty! Interesting read.

Found it as a free download (Adobe, PDF) here:

http://www.snipersparadise.com/fm2310/fm2310.htm

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Old April 14th, 2006, 02:32 PM   #14
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Cool

I have a ballistics card,but you have to have the same load,same barrel length etc. for it to be very usefull.

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Old April 15th, 2006, 07:27 AM   #15
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A ballistics card or reference is pretty much useless if it does not reflect what your gun does. The commercial custom ones work well. If you think the $20 or so is expensive, what does not box of match ammo cost let alone 5 or 10? If you really don't care about the best accuracy, you can always use the ballistics tables available in any good relading manual.

As they say, "Accuracy costs, how tight did you want to shoot?"

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