This is a discussion on XM25 Stock pictures within the The M14 forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; Well it started out as an informative and interesting thread only to end with some clear issues b/t members. While it would be awesome to ...
Well it started out as an informative and interesting thread only to end with some clear issues b/t members. While it would be awesome to own an ORIGINAL XM25 unless you have an original receiver to begin with it won't be an XM25. Kinda like is it an M1A or an M14. What happened to guys enjoying the builds and sharing what info they have or have found instead of fighting for what parts you have compared to others. Reality is parts for any build like this have become rarer and rarer. I pick up parts when I can but have realized as of late that when I croak someone is going to get a great deal on parts. As much as I am not a Country music guy, I remember the part of the song where it says "I've never seen a hearse with a trailer hitch". I want to enjoy what I have worked for.I enjoy the progression of you guys building these but not the in fighting of who has what and not sharing when it could help another member. Sorry for the rant. Just a crappy mood today. Thanks to M1AOH6. Great pics..
Completely understand..I can appreciate the time, money and EFFORT to find some of these parts. I love the hunt. I can appreciate not wanting some info getting out so fakes aren't made (typically the USGI stabilizer info in the past) but you guys doing these XM25s etc are putting in a LOT of time and energy and I am looking forward to the finished product. Sometimes hard to remember that this forum is for the love of the platform and getting our builds as close to original as WE can get them. Just hate to see guys who have gotten along starting to not, only because they are trying to get to the SAME end result. I have recently sold things that took me YEARS to find. I guess I realized there are guys looking for the same thing for the same amount of time and its doing neither of us good sitting in my closet. I do know that in a few years I will definitely be kicking myself for selling it but I guess I feel pretty good about helping someone out when I can. I cant wait til you guys have completed these. Good luck to all you guys doing these builds. I look forward to the end product. Just remember why you are doing it. And Ren I will keep your parents in my prayers
Originally Posted by XM25Ren
Jim, I always stay positive until someone starts this comment or that and then am quick to set them straight.
I have been asked by many members here to measure, or other wise reverse engineer the liner. While it is mine I feel it is not my design or place to give it out. If they want, they can get in touch with Tank's or Precision Tool.
For the last six months I have been at the hospital looking in on my Dad and staying with my mom who can't take care of herself.
Doctor bills add up and I have handed many thousand over to help my parents, I know a bad day.
Wow Ren,I never made no mention of your name but since you have brought it up now your stock is not correct for a XM25,3 reasons are the buttpad,yours has the cutout for the Std M14 buttplate,the rear stud for the swivel and the front reinforcing bar for the front swivel.
So in the end how is it going to be correct for a XM 25 rifle,they are 2 different stocks,yes similar but different.
And on another note sorry about your dad,my parents to are up in age I have to do alot for them as well,wasn't looking to point the finger at no one specific person but rather was bringing g up the points about the differences in the stocks,sorry I hit a nerve with you.
It is the same camo pattern, same time frame, same manufacturer(McMillan) and with very few adjustments(modifications) it will be a great representative stock. Getting any closer would require the definite article.
I will just say this one more time, my stock is not an XM25 stock, but with that being said he will make a fine XM25 stock.
Just to make things even more interesting...
Both Mitch and Kapp built a few "civilian" 25s, typically on a commercial SAI receiver, though I know of one built on an SEI receiver with a SAK medium weight barrel in a McMillan M3A stock with no selector cutout. Even though it has different parts than what were ultimately spec'd for the XM25, it was built by Mitch and has the Brookfield mods and the Brookfield liner and there is no question Mitch considers it a "SOTIC" M25...
My Brookfield built rifle is an example of the "civilian" 25s built by Mitch. I have seen a Kapp built 25 with the standard brown McMillan M1A stock with M14 buttplate and no selector cutout. Kapp ordered the stock from McMillan and the "customer" was able to order based on his preference. All used McMillan stocks and all had the Brookfield designed liner, which was THE key to the XM25, civilian or military. So there are many stock variations, and personal preference drove the stock choice for some of these "civilian" builds. The military also varied during development of the XM25, again with shooters preferences allowing for use of different McMillan stocks, including the M2A pistol grip. There is a picture of Kapp at the shooting bench firing an XM25 with OPS Inc., suppressor and M2A stock in the back of Senich's book, The Long Range War, Sniping in Vietnam. Again, no question he is firing an XM25 as that stock was also fitted with the Brookfield liner per Mitch. Again, a McMillan stock with the Brookfield designed liner. The McMillan stock with Brookfield designed liner being the common theme.
Two more "civilian" Brookfield builds from SOCOM42's album:
TWO FAVORITES, BROOKFIELD BUILDS, S.F.SOTIC VERSION M25 ON FIRST RUN SEI RCVR AND FIELD GRADE ON SAI.
Thanks again, its good to have a better understanding of the XM25 program. There is really so little information out there, and we are left to speculate on how and why.
I used Mitch's pictures(the one you posted above) to help me identify the Brookfield night vision scope adapter, no other pictures of one anywhere. The guy who had it had it mounted on backwards and didn't know what it was for.
Please keep sharing what you know as it is very interesting, helps in maintaining an accurate picture of how different the same rifle could be set up and still be an XM25.
Pad looks similar to the current Pachmayr 500B, but probably need to show pics to someone at Pachmayr or maybe McMillan.
Of the verified early XM25 stocks I have owned or seen in person or pictures, or confirmed with their owners, the early ones had a front and rear stud for swivels. These stocks were the first black stocks and early camo stocks with early liners. Later stocks, still with the Pachmayr pad, used the standard rear sling swivel and a three hole retainer bar for a stud and standard or welded front swivel screwed into the retainer bar.
And Ren - take a look at The Long Range War, Sniping in Vietnam by Peter Senich at page 245-246 for the Brookfield AN/PVS-4 adaptor. Also notice the hooded NM apertures on these early 25s. Later specs by Mitch eliminated use of hooded apertures.