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Old June 17th, 2014, 01:51 PM   #46
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When measuring the thickness of the bolt side of each sling swivel, they all appear to have been started using the same blank and then milled for different purposes as seen side by side in the pic below. The bottom left for the M2 bipod, the top right from either the butt stock of a BM59 as per mikebaker or an early E2 butt swivel as stated by Different with a standard butt swivel pictured between them and the last one is off an E2 stock.

The other pic is rather interesting, the feet and jaws of a USGI M2 bipod all stamped with the M, where most Ive seen were on the bottom of the feet only. Any one else have one stamped on the outside of the jaws?
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Old June 18th, 2014, 08:41 AM   #47
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some more pictures, sorry used my crappy camera
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What was that crap about the 2, either that faker is dam good or-----
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Old June 18th, 2014, 08:44 AM   #49
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I think the information in the USGI manuals with pictures is fantastic! Please if you guys have more pics and info to share, keep it coming.

Phinehas thanks for the pictures of the Bipod w/ swivel showing standard swivel and slotted screw, I had not seen that before.

Please keep those pictures coming.

Anyone else?

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Old June 18th, 2014, 09:22 AM   #51
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Thanks for the pictures 50cal!

On another note do any of you gentlemen know of any museums that house known M14E2 stabilizers? Or books that have detailed photos, just would like to get to the bottom of this before the only people who know anything about them are dead and gone.

Are there shows where known collectors like to showoff what they have and are available for pictures and study?

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Thanks for the pictures 50cal!

On another note do any of you gentlemen know of any museums that house known M14E2 stabilizers? Or books that have detailed photos, just would like to get to the bottom of this before the only people who know anything about them are dead and gone.

Are there shows where known collectors like to showoff what they have and are available for pictures and study?
Springfield Armory, that is what's left of it, unfortunately for us and those who still have an interest in the history of what once made this country a great industrial giant is now fast approaching extinction. But, it was for a greater cause, to become a school of "higher learning" thanks to The United Negro Fund, which we gladly support with our hard earned tax dollars. Sadly, all that history is now locked away under the care of the U.S. Forest service.

And as far as I know there isn't a single book, TM, FM, or magazine that goes into any great detail on the M14A1, I think it may be a conspiracy but I can't say for sure. Maybe Different will print a detailed expose' on the subject some day, we can only hope.

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From your photos, there is no doubt in my mind that your stabilizer is anything other than what Ren and I have, even the 2 matches perfectly. Please dig some more cool stuff up that is impossible for us to find.

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I have been in contact with Springfield Armory Ma. and given the name of the Curator who I hope will provide detailed pictures of the pieces that they have on hand. If I have to make the trip there to study in person I will, I don't trust many to take the kind of photos I will, because I will leave nothing to the imagination.

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I have been in contact with Springfield Armory Ma. and given the name of the Curator who I hope will provide detailed pictures of the pieces that they have on hand. If I have to make the trip there to study in person I will, I don't trust many to take the kind of photos I will, because I will leave nothing to the imagination.
That would be a very worth while trip if you could pull it off, and with photos, it would be priceless.

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And as far as I know there isn't a single book, TM, FM, or magazine that goes into any great detail on the M14A1, I think it may be a conspiracy but I can't say for sure. Maybe Different will print a detailed expose' on the subject some day, we can only hope.
There are several government manuals, drawings and reports which collectively provide a fair amount of information. The significant documents are listed in the bibliography of my book (see current version available upon email request). There are some very interesting facts and factoids which I have gleaned from these documents and shared in my book.

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Well, it sounds like it would be a good idea for us to get Lee's books Ren, I've been putting it off for too long now. I am sure it is a wealth of information.

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Well, it sounds like it would be a good idea for us to get Lee's books Ren, I've been putting it off for too long now. I am sure it is a wealth of information.
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From your photos, there is no doubt in my mind that your stabilizer is anything other than what Ren and I have, even the 2 matches perfectly. Please dig some more cool stuff up that is impossible for us to find.
I agree that we 3 have the same manufactured stabilizer. You wanted more cool stuff so here's me throwing a wrench into this. These first 2 pictures are from another thread where I asked Bill Ricca about a real USGI type 3 stabilizer. These picture were posted by someone else and Bill told the guy it was a real USGI stabilizer. It is what I've always beleived a real USGI type 3 stabilizer looked like. Note the the main body of the stabilizer is completely machined just like the type 2 is(ie no ruff cast left) and that the 5 in the part number is high and the 2 is low.

---you can find this thread by doing a search here on the forum for E2 stabilizer, it's like on the 5th page of the search.
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And another of a different stabilizer made same way.

Here's what I'm thinking now and may change my mind with any new info going into it. These are pictures of a type 3 stabilizer right after they went from a type 2 to a type 3 so the main body was built the same and the attachment piece and part number was all that was changed. Later in production(and maybe by a different company) they just stopped machining the whole main body.
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